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DYK error rate[edit]

May 2024 errors[edit]

May error rate:

  • 93% error-free overall (18 errors / 276 hooks)
  • 95% error-free before MP (15 / 276)
May 2024 errors
Date Hook Error
May 5 that cosplaying as a character from the New California Republic (flag pictured) could potentially lead to accidental arrest due to mistaken suspicion of carrying a bomb? failed verification (report, queue fix)
May 7 that opera composer and librettist Joseph Redding (pictured) was also a chess polymath and lawyer who won a landmark decision before the United States Supreme Court? failed verification (report, MP fix)
May 7 that Kooraban National Park provides a habitat for more than twenty endangered animal species, including koalas? failed verification (report, MP fix)
May 7 that sisters Joanne, Lynette, Amy and Jenny McCarthy were all gymnasts and ten-pin bowlers? failed verification (report, MP fix)
May 7 that the production team of the TV series The Falcon and the Winter Soldier created a highway more than five miles (8 km) long to capture visual effects for a truck action sequence for the episode "The Star-Spangled Man"? hook didn't specify it was a "digital" highway (report, MP fix)
May 8 that even though about 100,000 bombs fell on Le Touquet during World War II, making it "the most mined city in France", it was the first resort in northern France to open its beaches after its liberation? failed verification (report, queue fix)
May 11 that when the Bukharian-Jewish Soviet newspaper Bajroqi Miⱨnat switched to the Latin script, it did not use capital letters, following Jewish writing rules? hook did not specify that it "initially" did not use capital letters (report, queue fix)
May 14 that William F. Fiedler was the only American fighter pilot to become a flying ace in the P-39 Airacobra? failed verification (report, MP fix)
May 15 that Oophaga solanensis frogs can be bought for $3 in their native Colombia and sold for up to $1,000 overseas? hook didn't convey illegality (report, MP fix)
May 17 that the comedian Jonny Pelham is one of only 200 people in the UK to suffer from popliteal pterygium syndrome? "only 200" failed verification and MEDRS (report, MP fix)
May 19 that winter wonderland fairs have become a celebrated annual British tradition – but often for the wrong reasons? "wrong reasons" not in article and not NPOV (report, MP fix)
May 21 that Spider began making alternative music because she felt that not enough Black women were doing so? link to set index article (report, MP fix)
May 22 that the U.S. Army Air Corps were so unimpressed by the Estoppey D-8 that one member stated that he would rather use "nails and a wire"? attributed one person's opinion to entire US Army Air Corps (report, MP fix)
May 24 that actress Nellie McCoy (pictured) suffered a mental breakdown after her theatre performance was criticized, leading to her being committed to a sanatorium? "after her theatre performance was criticized" not in article (report, not fixed)
May 24 that Axel Downard-Wilke (pictured) led a campaign in 2020 to have macrons used in Māori place names in Wikipedia articles? COI (report, MP fix)
May 24 that women were 33 percent more likely than men to search for clown pornography in 2016? "on Pornhub" not specified in hook fact (report, MP fix)
May 26 that during the "trial from hell" Matthew Charles Johnson and his co-accused hurled abuse at the judge and threw human excrement at a member of the jury? certain hook details failed verification; BLPvio (report, MP fix)
May 29 that Israel's systematic destruction of trees and farmland in Gaza has been described as an ecocide? "systematic" in wikivoice instead of attributed (report, MP fix)

June 2024 errors[edit]

June error rate (through June 22):

  • 92% error-free overall (16 errors / 192 hooks)
  • 94% error-free before MP (12 / 192)
June 2024 errors
Date Hook Error
June 4 that Barron Trump signed for D.C. United Academy as a midfielder? notability and BLP concerns (report, MP fix)
June 6 that despite "C U in da Ballpit" being Camping in Alaska's best known song, the band says they all hate it? "best known song" failed verification (report, MP fix)
June 8 that the Tang-dynasty politician Fang Yi'ai was put to death and his wife Princess Gaoyang was forced to commit suicide after their failed rebellion against Emperor Gaozong? "put to death" not in article; possibly unapproved/unverified hook promoted (report, MP fix)
June 9 that Carrie Swain was possibly the first woman entertainer to perform in blackface? "first" fails verification (report, MP fix)
June 10 that the ancient Greek game polis is one of the world's oldest strategy games? didn't specify "oldest known" (report, MP fix)
June 10 that dance teacher Mary Ann Wells, despite being in the "I AM" movement, did not enforce rigid technical standards on her students? Pulled for SYNTH (report, queue fix)
June 12 that Professor Layton and the New World of Steam is planned to be the first main entry since 2013 in the series Professor Layton, despite it being its developer's most popular media franchise? failed verification (report, queue fix)
June 13 that Arthur Fulton, his father and his son all won the Sovereign's Prize for rifle shooting? hook fact not clearly in article (report, queue fix)
June 15 Chinese characters DYK image image not in article (report, MP fix)
June 15 that although it was never built, Lynn Conway notes that IBM's ACS-1 would have been the premier supercomputer of the era? not a definite fact (report, MP fix)
June 17 that Zombie Plane cannot take flight from Chuck Norris? confusing; not a definite fact; WP:DYKFICTION (report, MP fix)
June 19 Amen break DYK image copyright (report, MP fix)
June 19 that Pizza Hut’s most expensive pizza was a weighted blanket? fails verification/unreliable source (report, MP fix)
June 20 Olympic Black Power Statue image copyright (no report, MP fix)
June 21 that the efforts of Cora Babbitt Johnson helped delay the construction of Mount Rushmore until 1927? fails verification (report, MP fix)
June 22 that Saleh Manaf was elected as the regent of Bekasi despite being a dummy candidate in the election? "dummy candidate" fails verification (report, queue fix)

Error rate discussion[edit]

Anyone should feel free to update the table. I didn't list everything that was at WP:ERRORS, e.g. I didn't list simple copyedits like changing "$" to "US$". Overall, 93% or 95% error-free ain't bad, but IMO given the visibility, it really should be 99%, i.e. less than one per week. It's not ideal to have to rely on people fixing things at WP:ERRORS multiple times per week. Levivich (talk) 20:57, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've always thought that if a hook ran for more than six hours and turned out to have a serious error, we should issue a retraction in the next set. A basic retraction policy underlies most honest sources of information, there's no reason we shouldn't have one as well – we're not like the rest of the project in that you can just edit stuff and it'll be fixed going forward, nothing is on the page for more than 24 hours. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
+1. Ironically, one of the ways that we judge whether a source is reliable is by looking at whether it prints retractions, yet we do not print retractions. I would go further and say that there ought to be a "retraction box" on the main page, where we post as retractions everything that ends up having to be fixed on the main page. In other words, every fix made at WP:ERRORS should be noted in the retraction box on the main page (not just DYK). I have a vague memory of this being discussed and rejected by the community at some point in the last 5 years or so but I don't remember where. Levivich (talk) 21:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do like the idea of being transparent about errors, but it feels tricky. Maybe 'Corrections' instead of 'Retractions'; retraction seems like it should be for something possibly harmful that was factually incorrect. Like, I wouldn't want us to say we'd 'retracted' that Trump signed as a midfielder.
And really I'm not sure it's a fix to have Trump appear a second time at the MP with us noting the hook was pulled for the article being a BLP vio and questions being raised as to notability and we regret the error, that seems worse than the simple pull. Valereee (talk) 14:10, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would a reader be more likely to encounter a retraction box at the bottom of the main page? Or at the talk page of the linked article? The second would be fairly easy to implement. Online, some newspapers don't offer anymore than a "published" and "corrected/updated" date on the article's page.[1] Rjjiii (talk) 13:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Valereee: I think we'd mainly want to use a corrections/retractions box for errors of the hooks; while we can and do pull hooks for article issues, we generally don't maintain a retractions log on articles. I was just thinking something more like:
  • In the second DYK set on June 8, 2024, it was claimed that Jane Doe invented the flywheel. However, multiple inventors have credible claims to the flywheel, some predating Doe by up to 20 years.
theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 15:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That would work for me Valereee (talk) 16:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I think there's different levels of error. A poorly worded hook that should be rephrased is bad, but not as bad as something being actively not in the source stated. Lots of those above seem to be that the hook is the thing that isn't covered by the citation - perhaps that is the thing to stress to both reviewers and set promoters - to check that the source being used explicitly states the info being written.
As much as the rest of the article is important, the hook itself is the only bit that is given such high visibility. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 23:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I object to the Spider error – WP:DYKG doesn't mention SIAs, because they're articles, not DABs. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was a reasonable argument at ERRRORs that perhaps that page should be marked as a disambiguation—Bagumba (talk) 08:37, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a perfect measure but I'm using "changed at WP:ERRORS" as basically the definition of "error." I think there's an argument to be made that this particular one might be a de minimis example, like changing "$" to "US$" or adding a wikilink to "George Washington" but I included it because I thought it fell into the category of "clearly against some DYK rule." I'm no expert about DYK rules so maybe that one isn't against any actual rule? Levivich (talk) 12:37, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The most concerning errors are the failed verification ones, sadly they seem the most common. Focusing on those would make the most difference both to quality and to the error rate. CMD (talk) 08:33, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I find the fact verification seems to be a chronic problem concerning, but for me the most concerning is BLP issues. Levivich, it looks like the May 8 Le Touquet hook was pulled before it hit the main page, is that an outlier in these tables? (That is, I'm seeing most of the reports at ERRORS were in Current DYK, which I'm assuming means most actually made it to the main page?) Valereee (talk) 12:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I included it because it was caught at WP:ERRORS and not by "internal" DYK error-correction processes. I think "next DYK" ERRORS should "count" as "DYK errors," e.g. something that DYK "missed." (It's true that most are current-DYK and not next-DYK, but isn't that a bug not a feature?) Levivich (talk) 12:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, I just wasn't clear on what the inclusion criteria were, and I do think we should be aiming for all errors to be caught before a set hits Next-but-one DYK. But it would also be interesting to understand how many errors actually made it onto the main page. The vagaries of transclusion and date stamps make my head spin...is there an easy way to note which errors were fixed after the hook moved onto the main page? Valereee (talk) 13:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And IIRC some were flagged as next-DYK but fixed after it hit the main page (due to length of discussion); I think that's the only one that was fixed before it hit the main page, going from memory. That can be checked by looking whether the "fix" link is to the DYK template or a queue. Levivich (talk) 12:12, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you give the clueless an example? :D Er, one that even I can understand? Valereee (talk) 13:01, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes of course! Okay, so the "mouse" is that little plastic thing with buttons on it next to your keyboard that kind of looks like a mouse with no tail. Now when you move the mouse on your desk, it'll move the arrow on your screen, and if you hover over one of the links and press the left mouse button... :-D Just kidding, it's a good catch, I can update the list in two seconds later today when I get to a desktop and differentiate between fixed-at-current-DYK and fixed-at-next-DYK. Going from memory there is only one "next" and the rest are "current" but I'll double check and update the table to clarify this. Levivich (talk) 13:05, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My mouse is wired, so kind of looks like it does have a tail...does that still count? Valereee (talk) 13:12, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
lol, somebody please get val a WMF tech grant for a wireless mouse. (On the other hand the tail might make it easier to find.) Levivich (talk) 13:21, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I found my TV remote in the fridge the other day. Valereee (talk) 13:36, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Tell me you're a stoner without telling me you're a stoner" 😂 Levivich (talk) 14:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh and to actually answer your question, if you click the "fix" link for the May 8 entry, it takes you to a diff of an edit to one of the queue templates; the other "fix" links go to a diff of the actual DYK template that's transcluded on the main page -- that's how we know those were live when the diff was made, whereas the queue template diff means it wasn't live yet (still in the queue). So ERRORS report + DYK template fix = fixed when it was already on the main page, while ERRORS report + queue template fix = not on main page yet. Levivich (talk) 13:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OHHH. God, I can't even claim not enough coffee. Thanks! Valereee (talk) 13:42, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, they're all now updated to specify "MP fix" or "queue fix," and my memory was wrong: there were three queue fixes. I'll note though that there are examples where the error was reported to WP:ERRORS before the item hit the main page, but due to the length of discussion or admin response, the error wasn't actually fixed until it hit the main page. So, for example, the Kooraban error was reported on May 5 as a next-but-one error 2 days before going live, but wasn't fixed until May 7 when it was already live. So just because something is an "MP fix" doesn't mean it wasn't caught until it hit the MP, but it does mean the error hit the MP. Just thought I'd mention this wrinkle. Levivich (talk) 14:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This seems quite good. I still support efforts to raise standards, especially at the main page, and to use DYK/GA/FA to promote higher standards, but studies have consistently found that most published news articles contain errors.[2] Many of the errors noted above are also somewhat minor rather than outright bogus. Rjjiii (talk) 13:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not just newspapers – see Why Most Published Research Findings Are False. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Updated. Levivich (talk) 19:37, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KUER-FM in Prep 5[edit]

I'm pretty sure this would be discussed at Errors. It's not necessarily an Error, but let us be deliberate. Here's the nomination form. With this edit, Ravenpuff added quotation marks to the hook with the edit summary add quotation marks since this counts as an inline quote. Two thoughts:

  • I'm not convinced that we need quotation marks here.
  • But if we do, I suggest that the quotation marks should also be italicised.

On the latter point, there's nothing in MOS:ITALICS that covers this. I regard it as being similar to the brackets around the word "pictured" in hooks; those brackets are to be italicised as per WP:DYKMOS. Anyway, there's heaps of time to come to some agreement, I'm sure. Schwede66 05:20, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chapter a Day seems to be the name of a series, which would demand italics. Not seeing the need for quotation marks.--Launchballer 14:43, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am also not sure why we need quotation marks but I Will ping @Sammi Brie and Oltrepier: to get their thoughts. Bruxton (talk) 16:46, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The italics are because this was the title of a radio show, but I would also now not be opposed to "a chapter a day" with no formatting. Turns out Chapter a Day is a thing, and it isn't in Utah. (In very related news, I just expanded a radio station in Wisconsin.) Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 16:57, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Chapter a Day is a great read. A series that's been running for close to 100 years. That is quite something. With regards to our hook, I see consensus for the quotation marks to go. Thanks! Schwede66 19:50, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66 Sorry for replying just now, but I agree with Sammi's point here. Thank you for flagging it, by the way! Oltrepier (talk) 20:06, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66, Sammi Brie, and Oltrepier: With apologies for missing this discussion: my opinion is that marking the phrase in italics means that it refers to the radio show, but the hook exploits the literal meaning of the words, i.e. literally a "chapter a day". I tried to use quotation marks to point out that we're using the show title as part of the phrasing here. Of course, if this feels totally unnecessary and pedantic, I should say that I don't mind keeping the hook as is, but I would slightly prefer Sammi Brie's suggestion that we just omit the italic formatting – they're not that essential to the hook. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 16:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Scotch any indications of a title, @Ravenpuff. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:45, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Special occasion idea: Olympics[edit]

Discussion on Olympics[edit]

Remembering that we did themed sets for the FIFA Women's World Cup last year, I thought of an idea for a themed set of hooks: the 2024 Summer Olympics take place from July 26 to August 11 this year (in a little over five weeks) and I think there will probably be a decent number of Olympics-related hooks; I at least plan to write a good number of them. I was thinking we might be able to do something like one Olympics hook per day for the duration of the event, similar to how we did for the FIFA World Cup. Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:16, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. I coordinated something like that for the last Olympics and had been planning on offering that service once more. Schwede66 21:22, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cool idea! Lightburst (talk) 22:18, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also like this idea! I know of a couple topics that could provide Olympics-related hooks; I'll look into them. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 22:58, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've dug out the item that shows how we went about it last time: Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 180#Olympic hooks. Schwede66 22:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That looks like work @Schwede66:! Hopefully we can identify a few. Bruxton (talk) 01:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was somewhat involved! Schwede66 01:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some related considerations:

  • Moved to the Olympics: Special occasion holding area.
  • Done – added to the table below.
  • Done – added to the table below.

All the Olympic-related hooks that I could spot are in the table below. Schwede66 03:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My Toby Olubi hook is in prep 3. Feel free to pull if it's of any use to you.--Launchballer 06:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: I don't know if you saw this, but my Toby Olubi hook is Olympics-related, and could also run near the start of the Olympics.--Launchballer 11:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, I didn’t see that. I’ll have a look. Schwede66 13:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've pulled it out of Q3 and plugged the hole that I've made. Schwede66 23:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal[edit]

The Paris Olympics will be kicking off on 26 July 2024 with an opening ceremony in the early evening. Event competitions start two days earlier on 24 July with association football and rugby sevens. The closing ceremony (article yet to be written!) is on 11 August. That's 19 days of Olympics and as suggested above, we could run Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics as a warmup just before that period.

There'll be some special date requests coming in and to avoid filling up individual hook sets with too much sport, I suggest we co-ordinate what will run when to spread things out in a logical fashion. I suspect that we'll stay in a 24-hour cycle for the duration of the event but if that changes, we can accommodate that as well. Time zone–wise, Paris is currently at UTC+02:00 (Central European Summer Time or CEST), hence there are no mental gymnastics necessary as long as we stay in the 24-hour cycle. Comments welcome. Helpers are welcome and essential; I certainly don't want to do this all by myself as this was quite a bit of work some three years ago for the Tokyo Olympics. And with regards to my own special interests, I shall tell you that the Kiwi rowers are in good shape; I can hear the medals clinking already! Schwede66 01:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olympic hooks table[edit]

On the "Approved" page, there is now a heading Olympics: Special occasion holding area.

Article (nom) Requested Suggested date Prep set Notes (all times in CEST) Status
2024 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres hurdles (nom) none 20 July This hook names Femke Bol who is due to compete in Paris. We have a second (double-)hook that names here, hence I suggest we run this as the first warm-up hook to put as much time between the two appearance of Bol as possible. This would lend itself as the picture hook as we've got a good photo. Review not yet started
Yang Jingru (speed skater) (nom) none 21 July One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start Under review
Toby Olubi and Can't Touch This (nom) none 22 July One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start At SOHA; this double-hook has already had its admin checks done (by Cwmhiraeth)
Liechtenstein at the 1936 Summer Olympics (nom) none 23 July One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start Under review
Philippines at the 1924 Summer Olympics (nom) none 24 July One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the opening ceremony; can slide further forward if we get hooks for competitions that start on this date Review not yet started
Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics (nom) none 25 July One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the opening ceremony; can slide further forward if we get hooks for competitions that start on this date At SOHA
Fathimath Dheema Ali (nom) none 27 July The women's singles prelim round starts on 27 July At SOHA
Evann Girault (nom) none 27 July Girault is going to compete in men's sabre, and that competition is held on 27 July (from elimination to finals; all on one day) Review not yet started
Alyssa Mendoza (nom) none 30 July Assuming that she is still featherweight, the women's 57 kg boxing competition begins on 30 July with the round of 32. Under review
Shachar Sagiv (nom) none 30 July Men's triathlon is scheduled for 30 July starting at 8:00 Under review
Dylan Travis (nom) none 31 July The first USA men's 3x3 game is on 30 July. Subsequent games are on 31 July, 1, 2, and 4 August if that date gets too crowded. At SOHA; this hook has already had its admin checks done (by RoySmith)
2022 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres and 2022 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres hurdles (nom) none 5 August This is the second hook that names Femke Bol. She is due to compete in 400 metres hurdles (heats on 4 August) and 400 metres (heats on 5 August). I've put this into 5 August for now to put as much distance to the first hook as possible, but it could equally run on 4 August instead. Review not yet started
Emmanuella Atora (nom) none 8 August Atora is due to compete in women's 57 kg taekwondo (assuming that she's still in this weight class). The competition is to be held on 8 August. Review not yet started
Manizha Talash (nom) none 9 August Breaking or breakdancing is a new sport. Who would have known. At SOHA
[[]] (nom)
Note that this should be a subsection within the existing special occasion section, not a separate section. I have adjusted accordingly. I don't understand why the Solomon Islands hook—not shown above but in the section itself—is listed for the day before the Olympics starts; it looks like one that could run any time during the actual Olympics, which the article on the games lists as July 26 through August 11. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:38, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’ll add it to the table. Things got somewhat crowded last time, hence my thinking of running everything that’s not 2024 Olympics as a warmup beforehand. Schwede66 19:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BlueMoonset, I can see where the confusion arises. As explained above, the Olympic competitions start on 24 July, two days prior to the opening ceremony. Schwede66 04:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Special occasion: Braver Angels convention[edit]

Hi. I gather that the DYK volunteers are already working hard and stretched thin, so I understand if nobody has time for this. I nominated Braver Angels for a DYK on June 14th, with the hope that it might be put into the DYK queue for their national convention on June 27-29. Anyway, it's coming up soon, so I'm posting it here in case anyone has a chance to review it, etc. Template:Did you know nominations/Braver Angels. Thanks very much, ProfGray (talk) 17:05, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Porter Robinson[edit]

I am not too knowledgeable on Wikipedia etiquette or systems but am an avid front page reader everyday. I have noticed and checked through the archive that we've listed 4 Porter Robinson facts in just the first half of 2024. Is it potentially time to retire his facts? I've read his page twice now! Thanks 81.97.68.199 (talk) 19:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know what days these ran? That'll help us understand the problem better. RoySmith (talk) 21:17, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Four hooks about Robinson in six months isn't that many when you compare to the time when we were full of Tay-tay hooks, or our regular features on New York buildings, opera, and radio stations. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:01, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sara Houcke (nom)[edit]

Anyone want to weigh in on this? I'm seeing it as a hook basically of the form "... that [Circus performer] was known as [performer's PR nickname]", but the nominator and promoter would probably disagree with that characterization. Courtesy pings to @Silver seren and Bruxton. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I responded on the nom page. RoySmith (talk) 23:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RoySmith: Side note: I was wondering why someone would want to use the method of whispering to tigers... Lots of tabloid-looking-sources say that tigers are one of the only animals who seek revenge. NPR also has an anecdote about tiger revenge. But first they say a tiger "can jump as far as 25 ft (7.6 m) -- vertically, they can jump over a basketball hoop". Yikes. They tell the story of how one tiger stalked a man and took revenge by killing and eating him. So I conclude that whispering commands to tigers seems prudent because they just might remember the whipping and shouting. Bruxton (talk) 01:00, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that a PR nickname should not be used. SL93 (talk) 01:27, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because it's PR or what? Since it's not actually promotional for the place in question. The person hasn't worked there in two decades and the place doesn't even have animals anymore. SilverserenC 01:51, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because whatever PR nickname is used is boring, and also not independent of the subject. SL93 (talk) 03:21, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that she used whispered commands instead of threats of physical violence is boring? And any information about her is not going to be "independent" of the subject when it's about the subject. Unless you're meaning something else by using independent, since the article isn't about Ringling, so that's not the subject. SilverserenC 03:23, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I said that relying on the PR nickname is boring. It seems like the name was chosen by Ringling Bros so the name itself wouldn't be independent of the subject. She worked for Ringling + name from Ringling = not independent by Ringling and her by extension. SL93 (talk) 03:25, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
a different ALT has been approved – thanks, all :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:22, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Capri-Sun[edit]

Not strictly a DYK thing, but congratulations to theleekycauldron and Tamzin for Capri-Sun being featured on WP:TFA! RoySmith (talk) 00:57, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

:D thanks, Roy! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:39, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request to close nomination[edit]

This is embarrassing. I created an article that already existed. I've nominated said article for CSD and, therefore, am requesting my DYK nomination be failed. (To prevent the inevitability of confusion that will result, I probably shouldn't self-close.) Thank you and sorry. Chetsford (talk) 11:31, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Closed the nom, but which one is the correct title? One should redirect to the other.--Launchballer 11:35, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Chetsford, you should merge your content to the existing article. Your work is much better. And when done, you should redirect the title as Launchballer suggests. Schwede66 12:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you and I agree with you both. I've saved a copy and, once it's deleted, will merge the content over. The philosophical issue is I'm not really certain which is the more appropriate title and, because the parallel article's only active editor is retired, and I'm the only active editor on the new article I probably need to resolve that issue which will require some contemplation. During this interregnum, I'm concerned about the existence of two identical articles. But maybe I'm overthinking this? Chetsford (talk) 12:14, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This kind of thing happens all the time. I think it has happened to me at least five times, maybe more. It’s totally normal. Viriditas (talk) 12:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Based on Category:Individual tanks I suggest the name America (tank).
I don't think that a deletion was required under A10, which is for an article "that does not expand upon, detail or improve information within any existing article(s) on the subject, and where the title is not a plausible redirect" and your article did improve the previous article. It was deleted as an author request. TSventon (talk) 19:35, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, don't overthink it. Just create redirects from any possible name to where the live article is. If someone would like to move the target article, there are procedures to deal with it. Schwede66 02:22, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 5[edit]

Red Sea mangroves (nom)[edit]

@Spaghettifier and Hike395: The hook here ("...that unlike other mangrove ecosystems, Red Sea mangroves have been expanding in area since 1972?") overstates the case. The Red Sea mangroves are contrasted not against "other mangrove ecosystems", but against a "general global decline". As the source introduction notes, there is high variability between individual ecosystems. Would suggest something like "...that despite a global decline in mangrove forests, Red Sea mangrove ecosystems have expanded in area since 1972?" CMD (talk) 01:48, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your proposed hook is definitely clearer. I'm travelling right now. Would you like to propose an ALT hook at the nomination subpage? — hike395 (talk) 04:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given it has been promoted, I think (please feel free to correct me) that it gets changed in the prep rather than at the nom page. This is a situation that merits pulling the nom. The text should be changed in the article too though. CMD (talk) 11:49, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll fix it in prep. Spaghettifier (talk) 14:51, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question re DYK renomination[edit]

Hi, I'd like to seek clarification about how to submit a renomination for Oriana Skylar Mastro (which was recently promoted to GA status) as an earlier DYK failed because I didn't complete a QPQ in time. Thanks! W9793 (talk) 02:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi W9793, you will need to manually create it at Template:Did you know nominations/Oriana Skylar Mastro 2. Otherwise the normal processes apply. You'll have to do this in the next day or two given it was a 19 June promotion. CMD (talk) 02:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Chipmunkdavis - Thank you for the quick reply. I've just attempted to create it manually but not sure if it was done correctly - Template:Did you know nominations/Oriana Skylar Mastro 2? W9793 (talk) 02:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've made some tweaks and added it to WP:DYKN. (DYKN is currently at WP:PEIS so it's not visible, but it is there.) Please be sure to do the QPQ soon! CMD (talk) 03:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Admins: all queues are empty![edit]

Pinging @DYK admins: as all queues are currently empty, in the hopes that we can get some preps promoted to queue. Thank you very much. TSventon (talk) 08:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jude Law[edit]

... that English actor Jude Law is actually named "David", as a result of his parents naming their children after their best friends?

This is incredibly uninteresting and misleading, since his name is "Jude". Just because it's his middle name doesn't mean it's not his real, legal name! In fact, going by one's middle name is very common in England (I go by my middle name, my (British) mother, her father, and all four brothers go by their middle names, same with numerous cousins... and we've all been known by our middle names since birth) so it's actually kind of insulting to suggest these are "made-up" or "nonlegal" names.

Surely there is something legitimately interesting in Jude Law's bio that could replace this hook... JoelleJay (talk) 04:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The nom and the hook ... that the English actor Jude Law is actually named David, a result of his parents naming their children after their best friends? It underperformed 3,745 views 156.0 per hour. Myself, I was not familiar with that convention of using middle names as first names. Courtesy pings for @Hey man im josh, LunaEclipse, and B3251: (the editors from the nom). Bruxton (talk) 05:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are a lot of examples even in the US, see those listed here. You just don't hear about them because their real first names are just as irrelevant as most people's middle names are. JoelleJay (talk) 06:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The great thing is we're allowed to find different things interesting. I found it unexpected and interesting, which is why I moved it from approved to the prep area. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm confused. According to Pageviews Analysis, it got 35k views the day it ran plus another 24k the next day. RoySmith (talk) 14:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty sure it got 35K views the day before it ran and 24K on the day it did. Less than 4K views came from the main page. Not seeing anything on Google News that might cause such a spike.--Launchballer 15:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At the HTTP level, there should be referrer headers which can tell us where the traffic came from, but I have no idea if that information is logged anywhere where we can get at it. RoySmith (talk) 15:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
toolforge:wikinav! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 15:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, cool, thanks for that link! Unfortunately all I can get out of it is "An error occurred while fetching data for the current title. Try another one", but looks like a nice tool otherwise :-) RoySmith (talk) 15:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
see Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders#Jude Law :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 15:24, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is a "background view"? RoySmith (talk) 15:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
a rough average of the views around the DYK date – it's the way we adjust for non-DYK-related views on an article :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 16:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
theleekycauldron according to a suggestion in Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Statistics/Archive 1#Distortion in DYKstats, the background is the average of the previous two days' viewing figures. Is that explained anywhere more accessible? TSventon (talk) 11:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also I don't think we should conclude that the hook underperformed, as the adjustment is distorted by a so far unexplained spike in views the previous day. TSventon (talk) 11:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Except the hook is also wrong because it claims he's "actually named" David, as if "Jude" isn't his "actual, legal" name. Would you promote a hook making the same assertions that, e.g., Penélope Cruz's last name is actually "Sánchez"? JoelleJay (talk) 17:24, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would guess that a majority of English men use their first given name and that a majority of female actors keep the same stage name, even if they change their surname officially on marriage, so your Penélope Cruz example would not be accepted. I agree that the hook wording is poor as it is unclear what "actually named" means. TSventon (talk) 12:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Penélope Cruz Sánchez is her legal birth name; she has two surnames, as is common in Spanish culture. I am saying that claiming her "last" surname is "actually" her real last name would be just as incorrect and uninteresting as the current hook, as it introduces a false dichotomy on what a "real name" is and the interestingness is predicated on unfamiliarity with relatively widespread naming practices that are themselves not noteworthy (would we consider hooks like "DYK that some people go by their middle names?" or "DYK that Spanish people have two surnames?" intriguing?). JoelleJay (talk) 20:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/ RoySmith (talk) 01:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS, I once worked with somebody who's cubicle nameplate said their first name was "V", and whose last name was something that sounded Indian, which worked out well because they were Indian. I asked him what the "V" stood for and he said it doesn't stand for anything. In fact, it wasn't his name at all, but the HR system couldn't deal with him not having a first name and a last name so they invented "V" for his first name. Never underestimate the power of HR software to require stupid things. RoySmith (talk) 01:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GAN backlog drive in July[edit]

@DYK admins: and other members of the DYK community: WP:GAN is planning a backlog drive for July. This usually results in lots of DYK nominations, which in turn causes us to go into 2-sets-a-day. If able, please reserve some wiki-time for reviewing hooks and prep sets. Thanks! Z1720 (talk) 21:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re "in turn causes us to go into 2-sets-a-day", that does not follow. We would only consider such a step if there are sufficient admins willing to commit to it.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
just ask the 'crats to give the bit to everyone who promoted a hook in the past month :v – Hilst [talk] 22:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Amakuru: Past backlog drives have caused the number of nominations to increase past the 120 threshold. Some editors and admin have used this condition to go to 2 sets a day, even if admin did not indicate that they are committed to it. This notice is to help admin get ready for this possibility. Z1720 (talk) 01:38, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think 2-a-day mode is a bad idea. As a matter of principle, I go on DYK strike when we do that. If other admins want to put in the time to make it work, more power to you, but I won't be. RoySmith (talk) 01:41, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also see that as more errors, and less time to fix those errors. SL93 (talk) 02:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also an oppose for using 2-a-days as a solution. The burden is too high for those doing the work. It's an unfortunate fact here that those doing the work are vastly outnumbered by those not doing the work, and every solution proposed to move some of that burden onto those not doing the work gets voted down by...wait for it...those not doing the work. Valereee (talk) 12:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also don't like 2-a-day because it can be unfair to contributors in that how their work can get less main page attention than others that run a full day. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We should be fine without 12-hour-sets: that is the problem the new nine-hook sets are intended to solve. I don't think that we should go to two/day, but instead just let it even out over time. A little more discrimination in rejecting hooks wouldn't hurt. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:25, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AirshipJungleman29, when 9 hooks a set was proposed you calculated that "10 per day minus pulled hooks should even it out." TSventon (talk) 10:34, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe I wrote that TSventon? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did, and I left my workings at Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 196#Hook duration dynamics.--Launchballer 10:41, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for my confusion AirshipJungleman29 and Launchballer. TSventon (talk) 11:25, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On the other hand, I think that nine hook sets, with timing out of older, less interesting noms at WP:DYKNA, should work well as a coherent long-term system. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:54, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was initially somewhat skeptical of 9 hooks per set, but it's been working out really well. At this point, I'd even be in favor of 10 hooks per day and encourage people to write shorter hooks. And, yes, not being so adverse to dropping submissions. By the time a nom gets to be 2 months old and is still struggling to get approved, it's time to move on. Even if we do manage to get it up to standard by investing a lot of work in it, by the time it could get published, it's no longer new, which is a a core part of what DYK is all about. RoySmith (talk) 14:51, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Queue 4[edit]

Prep 4 rejigger[edit]

A note to our prep builders who have time: I think Prep 4 might need rejiggering. The set has two music related articles, but beyond that I only see two biographies in the set and 5-6 of the hooks seem to be US-centric. Bruxton (talk) 02:16, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I pulled Tyla (album) (the hook probably needs at least a rewrite) and bumped off The Blue Angles to Prep 2. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I thought two music related hooks/two hooks for the same area in a single set is okay? Hey man im josh (talk) 04:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's technically okay but it's not ideal. The guidelines do say not to have more than two of the same or similar topics per set, but in practice even two is usually considered too much especially when there are free sets to spread them around. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It feels like two music or two sports hooks are inevitable in at least half of sets with what's sent to DYK. There's always an abundance of both and if the instructions say it's okay I don't personally see an issue with that aspect of it. With that said, US centric is a valid complaint, and that's fair to want to mix in more bios. Hey man im josh (talk) 04:13, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey man im josh You are not wrong. WP:DYKVAR No topic should comprise more than two of the hooks. I just figured that we would likely move some hooks and why not separate the music hooks. Bruxton (talk) 05:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably because, at the time, I believe every queue was filled or had music hooks already. Most of the non-empty prep areas also already do. Again, I completely understanding wanting to mix it up, but I think we struggle avoiding multiple music and sport hooks based on the frequency of the two. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are right. I am glad you are working in this area of the encyclopedia. Welcome! Bruxton (talk) 17:24, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it's a rare prep that doesn't have two music or sports hooks.~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Me at the Zoo[edit]

(nom page: Template:Did you know nominations/Me at the zoo)

  • ... that YouTube co-founder Jawed Karim has updated the description of his video "Me at the zoo" on multiple occasions to criticize the website's business decisions?

@Launchballer, Davest3r08, LunaEclipse, and Schwede66:

No more copyright objections or whatever from me on this one. Just a quick query on the hook, which you can take or leave as you wish: I'd have thought that by far the most remarkable, and indeed interesting, thing about this topic is that Me at the Zoo was the first-ever YouTube video. That's a claim to fame indeed, and not one that I was aware of before I saw this hook for the first time. It seems more likely to interest readers than the current thing about the description being changed - particularly so if you don't actually know it's the first YouTube video ever. Just an idea anyway.

There was also a suggestion at the nom page to defer this hook until 2025 to coincide with the video's launch date. Not sure if that was discussed here yet, and might well be shot down, but again raising it here. Certainly I don't object myself but others might. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 22:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the first thing, changing "his video" to "the site's first video" might work even if it makes the hook slightly longer. It could be left to other editors/reviews whether to do that change or simply to do a hook about "Me at the zoo" being the first video. For the second thing, I don't see a good reason to hold off the article for that long and thus to grant an IAR exemption from the special occasion request limit. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:54, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The word "his" needs to be kept, or he could just be changing anyone's video description. "...his video "Me at the zoo", Youtube's first video, on..."? CMD (talk) 01:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that "... that "Me at the Zoo" was YouTube's first video?" would be a simpler and punchier hook, but I don't blame the nominator for refraining from putting such a hook forward. "First" hooks get a poor reception among some DYK participants, with some earlier this month suggesting a blanket ban on such hooks. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 01:44, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm one of those who said that we should stop running first hooks, but qualified that by saying "unless we have solid evidence that it's factually correct". In this case, there is no doubt that it was their first video. Schwede66 02:29, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest changing "his video Me at the zoo" to "the site's first video". I'm not inclined to support running it on its 20th anniversary as it could feasibly run as that day's featured article.--Launchballer 08:51, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It’s not a featured article; it’s a GA. Schwede66 21:35, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think what was being asked was for it to be put on hold and be placed in SOHA so that it will run on April 23, 2025. Given that it would obviously be way beyond six weeks, it would require a WT:DYK discussion to allow that to happen per IAR. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unless I'm completely showing my ignorance of how WP:FA works, ten months should be more than enough time for the article to run as a featured article candidate.--Launchballer 04:38, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Older nominations needing DYK reviewers[edit]

The previous list of older nominations was archived yesterday, so I've created a new list of 37 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through June 8. We have a total of 258 nominations, of which 89 have been approved, a gap of 169 nominations that has increased by 17 over the past 8 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations.

More than one month old

Other nominations

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 04:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Did you know nominations/Final Fantasy XIV: Dawntrail (resolved)[edit]

This is a unique situation. I am not confident in accepting/declining the nomination because of the fact that the article was there last month, but hidden. I am a new reviewer/nominator so thats why. JuniperChill (talk) 11:12, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would say that the article wasn't really in public view, so I'd take it. Replied there.--Launchballer 11:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done JuniperChill (talk) 11:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Error at WP:DYKN: time for backlog mode?[edit]

There seems to be a problem: a few new noms are not showing up at the bottom. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 12:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is usual: the WP:PEIS limit has been reached. If the overload gets unduly large, we may have to go into backlog mode, or think how to solve what is becoming an oddly frequent occurrence. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:05, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would suggest starting the discussion about going into backlog mode now. If we start backlog mode with over 200 unapproved nominations and end it with around 60, then that adds 140 extra approved nominations in a short period of time. Under current rules that would need an extended period of 2 sets a day to clear it, which places unnecessary strain on all involved. TSventon (talk) 12:30, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not on all involved. :D Valereee (talk) 13:05, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For what it's worth, I meant strain on the capacity and willingness of DYK prep builders and admins. TSventon (talk) 13:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have sent out pings to get some of the reviews wrapped up. However, I think it might be time to implement the backlog mode: with GAN having their own backlog in July, DYK can expect a lot of nominations next week. I suggest starting our backlog mode on July 1 as it is a date that is easy to remember. Z1720 (talk) 16:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would go through and close noms like Template:Did you know nominations/Georgi Romanov which have been dragging on for 2 months. There's no reason to be investing this much effort to rescue a nom when we've got more than we can handle. RoySmith (talk) 16:59, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 7[edit]

Tatto Suwarto Pamuji[edit]

  • "... that after completing his tenure as regent, Tatto Suwarto Pamuji walked 96 kilometres (60 mi) to fulfill a vow he made?"
  • I can't help thinking that if this goes live, we're going to get someone at ERRORS saying "well yes, but what was the vow? Without that the sentence is a little pointless". Also, there's no link to "regent" (and the article doesn't help either, it just assumes the reader knows what it is). I presume something like Regency (Indonesia) would have to be linked. Pinging @SL93, Generalissima, and Juxlos: Black Kite (talk) 13:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the hook itself is fine; the idea is to get somebody curious enough to click and read the article. The problem is that the article itself doesn't say what the vow is, so that should get fixed. RoySmith (talk) 17:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see that AirshipJungleman29 added it to the article. SL93 (talk) 21:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. RoySmith (talk) 21:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lunch (song)[edit]

Is the pun really necessary to give it traction? It's a Billie Eilish hook... Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 07:57, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What's wrong with puns? I like the hook personally. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:22, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Queue 6[edit]

Zwei Gesänge, Op. 1 (Schoenberg)[edit]

@AirshipJungleman29, Gerda Arendt, and Narutolovehinata5: The hook statement in the article is sourced to a YouTube recording of the piece being performed. There's nothing there which supports the statement. RoySmith (talk) 16:29, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, never mind, I mis-read the citation. RoySmith (talk) 16:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oxtongue River[edit]

@AirshipJungleman29, P 1 9 9, and Kevmin: I have some concerns about WP:CLOP vs. ontario.ca/page/oxtongue-river-ragged-falls-provincial-park-management-plan. See earwig report RoySmith (talk) 16:45, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P199 while a good portion of that is due to the 6 word name "Oxtongue River-Ragged Falls Provincial Park", the recreation paragraph does slip into CLOP range and needs a little wordsmithing.--Kevmin § 18:03, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't mind running this hook again, but this edit messed up having this hook on July 1 and the hook was moved up to June 25. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 18:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ugh, it looks like it got put back in the prep area in Special:Diff/1231117363. How did that happen? RoySmith (talk) 18:41, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pulled and replaced. RoySmith (talk) 19:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possible special occasion hook[edit]

We have a nomination for Theobald of Marly requesting to be run on the 8 July, but the nominator is currently suspended and won't be able to fix the issues highlighted before then. I'm not certain it would meet the criteria for the special occasion area, but thought I should raise here in case anyone was willing and able to find a resolution. CSJJ104 (talk) 19:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given an existing article issue that hasn't been resolved, along with confusion over the saint's actual feast day, I've gone ahead and marked the nomination for closure as well as declining the special occasion request. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:22, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do wonder whether it's worth instituting a rule that says 'any editor blocked more than a week forfeits their noms', as nominations with outstanding issues after a week are liable to be closed and issues could be found at any point.--Launchballer 08:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 4[edit]

1964 New York World's Fair pavilions[edit]

@Hey man im josh, Epicgenius, and Generalissima: I'm not sure how well this will stand up at WP:ERRORS. The true story is more like "built a house out of salvaged material, including some from several 1964 New York World's Fair pavilions", which isn't very hooky. RoySmith (talk) 19:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good point - the house isn't made entirely out of these pavilions. Would this work?
If not, we could use one of the alts. – Epicgenius (talk) 19:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I went with that, but changed "one" to "a". RoySmith (talk) 20:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good point, thanks for bringing this up. Luckily there were a number of other good hooks, but I picked that one as it was more quirky and I thought it could work in the quirky slot. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 5[edit]

Laura Veale[edit]

I think the Laura Veale hook would be easier understood if it specified the town of Harrogate Mach61 07:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. I think context makes clear enough that it's a place.--Launchballer 08:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer My initial thought was that it was a university or hospital of sorts. Mach61 12:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added 'the town of'.--Launchballer 12:15, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"We want the ball and we're going to score!"[edit]

Changed to 'claimed', with the caveat that that is the only part of the hook I have checked, and I'll check the rest later.--Launchballer 12:15, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think "guaranteed" would be a correct interpretation, since it was overtime and a score would win the game (i.e. he's guaranteeing a score – which would mean victory – if he gets the ball). BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that "guaranteed" works (in the sense of "to assert confidently"), but if that's considered a problem, I think "promised" works much better than "claimed" in this context. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 16:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the verb you're looking for is "boasted". Or maybe "pontificated" :-) RoySmith (talk) 17:01, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, "promised" or "pledged" is less confusing. JoelleJay (talk) 01:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Did you know nominations/LS Power[edit]

Could somebody please look at this template. There's obviously some bit of broken markup (it's emitting {{DYKsubpage |monthyear=May 2024 |passed= |2= but I can't find what's wrong. RoySmith (talk) 17:08, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Atualliy, that's only showing up when it's transcluded into Articles created/expanded on May 21, so maybe it's in an adjacent nom template? RoySmith (talk) 17:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think I fixed it. Template:Did you know nominations/Voluntary war had an unclosed template. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:15, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Queue 1[edit]

Guardian Cap[edit]

@AirshipJungleman29, Soulbust, and Crisco 1492: The copyright checks really got pencil-whipped on this one. The Los Angeles Rams became early adopters of the caps in 2021, after quarterback Matthew Stafford injured his hand after hitting it on an uncapped helmet while following through on a pass during training camp. is almost word-for-word from the source. I'm surprised this didn't get flagged in the review. RoySmith (talk) 21:01, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yahoo! Sports states:
In 2021, the Los Angeles Rams opted to continue using the caps during practice later in the season to prevent further injury among players. Quarterback Matthew Stafford injured his hand hitting an uncapped helmet while following through on a throw, according to USA Today.
That USA Today article states:
Burger also shared that the Rams opted for additional use of the Caps in practice back in 2021 after quarterback Matthew Stafford injured his throwing hand in training camp upon hitting it on an uncapped helmet while following through on a pass.
So the issue here is just the latter portion of the information? i.e. "after quarterback Matthew Stafford injured his hand after hitting it on an uncapped helmet while following through on a pass during training camp."
The tweak brought down the earwig copyvio% a bit, but it's still high because of a direct quote elsewhere in that USA Today article. The bit about Stafford injuring his hand on an uncapped helmet isn't really flagging anything crazy on the earwig check... Hopefully this clears any concern up, but yeah, let me know. Soulbust (talk) 21:36, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"The tweak" referring to what I just tweaked it to: The Los Angeles Rams became early adopters of the caps in 2021, after the team's quarterback, Matthew Stafford, injured his hand on an uncapped helmet during training camp.
Soulbust (talk) 21:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Don't obsess over the earwig number. The goal is to read the source, understand what it's saying, and write it in your own words. Taking text from the source and changing a few words here or there is exactly what WP:CLOP is talking about. But, yes, that's the passage that I was talking about. RoySmith (talk) 21:40, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I probably just meant to put that one in direct quotes when I first drafted the article, because, yes this isn't exactly my first time writing an article or just in general, whether on Wikipedia or otherwise. I am aware to not just change a few words here or there. Please let me know if the tweak is sufficiently alleviating the concern or not. If not, I'll go back and see if I can further change it up. Soulbust (talk) 21:42, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Watamou Lamien[edit]

@AirshipJungleman29, Soman, and Generalissima: I'm unable to trace the hook back to a statement in the article or the source. Can somebody walk me through it. Also, it looks like the hook that got promoted wasn't actually what was approved. RoySmith (talk) 20:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Silence Is Loud[edit]

@AirshipJungleman29, Launchballer, and Theleekycauldron: The article says "would have been absolutely verboten in 90s jungle, which in combination with the hook implies that it's genre is 90s jungle, and I don't see anywhere the article says that. RoySmith (talk) 21:06, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm falling asleep, so won't be able to look at this until the morning (it's approximately twenty past ten where I am).--Launchballer 21:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
its genre is jungle, which the article spells out in a few places. 90s was its heyday, this 2024 album is a bit anachronistic. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:41, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think ALT4b changed the meaning somewhat, I think this should be replaced with ALT4a.--Launchballer 05:04, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marie Kunkel Zimmerman[edit]

FWIW, I think the "1890 sketch of Mamie Kunkel" in this article would make a much better lead image than the one we've got now. RoySmith (talk) 21:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adnan al-Bursh[edit]

@SL93, Makeandtoss, and Hydrangeans: There's a fair amount of copying from thenationalnews.com. RoySmith (talk) 21:15, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I took care of it minus "The Prisoners' Affairs Authority and the Palestinian Prisoners Club" which cannot be rewritten. SL93 (talk) 00:33, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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