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Hello. Could you please look at this article and the currently ongoing edit war? 212.3.130.232 (talk) 20:38, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- This editor has for a long time been making unsourced and disruptive changes. If it continues and they do not respond on their talk page, please raise this on WP:ANI. Mellk (talk) 16:11, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Regarding removal of Category:Former capitals of Ukraine from some pages[edit]
While I agree with the removal of Volodymyr from the category (the Principality of Volhynia isn't exactly "Ukraine"), I don't see why Chyhyryn, Baturyn, and Hlukhiv should be removed. They were all capitals of the Cossack Hetmanate, which can be considered the first Ukrainian state. In some documents of the period (such as the Constitution of Pylyp Orlyk) the Hetmanate is actually called Ukraine. Shwabb1 (talk) 15:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- From my understanding, this category is a subcat of Category:Former national capitals which is intended for former capitals of modern nations. The first bulletpoint for not included in the criteria says:
Former capitals of countries that no longer exist (see Category:Capitals of former nations), unless they were also capitals of yet-existing countries.
- Since the Hetmanate went out of existence and those capitals did not become capitals of Ukraine later, I am not sure if they should be included. But the criteria is not as clear as I would like. Perhaps we can include those cities in Category:Capitals of former nations instead? Mellk (talk) 16:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, the criteria are somewhat ambiguous. Looking at the other "Former capitals" categories, I see that some of them include cities that don't even exist anymore (e.g., Tigranocerta from 1st century BC for Armenia). And Category:Former capital cities in India includes over 200 pages!
- Including the capitals of the Hetmanate in Category:Capitals of former nations makes sense, but applying the same to all the other categories might take a while... Shwabb1 (talk) 17:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am not opposed to including them again to Category:Former capitals of Ukraine (if we want to have a loose definition of "country") since it is not applied evenly but we would just need to include a hatnote explaining this (e.g. "this category is for former capitals of Ukraine since the establishment of the Cossack Hetmanate"). At least until someone sorts out the parent category. Mellk (talk) 17:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fine with either option (Category:Capitals of former nations or Category:Former capitals of Ukraine+hatnote), as long as these three cities are presented as former capitals somewhere. Everything considered, I'm not certain which choice is better. Shwabb1 (talk) 17:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am not opposed to including them again to Category:Former capitals of Ukraine (if we want to have a loose definition of "country") since it is not applied evenly but we would just need to include a hatnote explaining this (e.g. "this category is for former capitals of Ukraine since the establishment of the Cossack Hetmanate"). At least until someone sorts out the parent category. Mellk (talk) 17:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)