User talk:Victoriaearle

Ernest Hemingway

Big birthday coming up for Hemingway ... 125th, on July 21 ... so I'm thinking about a TFA rerun. You nominated this at FAC ... any thoughts pro or con? There's basically no uncited text. I see three "clarify" tags and one "request quotation" tag ... nothing major. I don't see any significant fights on the talk page, or evidence of recursive bad behavior in the history. - Dank (push to talk) 06:02, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi Dank when I saw the message I was afraid you'd scheduled for April! That would have been a stretch ... but ... July might be doable. My sense of the article is that it's degrading and needs work. My problem is twofold: getting anything done is very difficult these days and if I start to dig in there I'll want to really dig in and do a rewrite. Is it feasible to have a few days to evaluate & get back to you? Victoria (tk) 21:27, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Oh of course, and we can always run it another year. Take your time. Very nice writing on this one, btw. - Dank (push to talk) 21:51, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Dank! I'll take a few days to assess and let you know. I can't take credit for the prose - without Yllosubmarine (Maria), Malleus, Ceoil, and a cadre of others it wouldn't be what it is. Those were the days! Victoria (tk) 00:20, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

If you want my opinion, or even if you dont, and having spent a while comparing versions earlier this afternoon; its fine, in very good shape, and I wouldn't stress or be put off imagine a huge preparation task. More important, am on Dank's side, it would be a fine article to rerun - whatever you might think of Hemingway these days, he was never boring, and having the man on main page very much serves readers, who can draw their own conclusions, m or n dash be dammed :) Ceoil (talk) 00:33, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Funny! Of course I value yours and Dank's opinons. I think it's doable. It needs tidying but easier done than I thought. Lets go ahead and run it! Victoria (tk) 00:53, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm delighted Victoria, and thanks Dank for thinking. Deep, calm, breaths Victoria! Ceoil (talk) 01:07, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, thanks very much to Dank for thinking of it. I'm honored. Practicing deep breathing as I dig into it. Victoria (tk) 01:10, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

As always the "Influence and legacy" sect is the main problem child re post FAC additions, have done some trimmings and paragraph merging. I think any pre main page prep should focus on keeping this tight and on point. Pop mentions /= literately importance. Ceoil (talk) 01:32, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for combining the paras; I noticed that paragraph breaks have been added throughout. Yes, it should be tight - that was always the idea. It definitely needs tightening. Luckily because I didn't use citation templates it's easy to see where stuff has been added. I've hacked out some from the legacy section - that section might need an entire rewrite. During PR & FAC we'd agreed to keep some of the stuff but in my mind it invites anything & everything to be added. Victoria (tk) 01:47, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

That aligns with my impression...in prep for another day in the sun, all that is needed is remoal rather than addition, and that is always so much easier. I'm really not seeing that you should re-dig the sources: and scholarship has not developed so much since 2010. The page is a joy to read...so crisp and clear :) I very much don't see a need for worry here, in fact you can be proud. Ceoil (talk) 02:06, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Well, Hemingway scholarship is endless but it's reiterative; equally there seems to be a reiterative call for post 2010 (or plug the year) sources for FAs. All that said, I don't intend to dig into the sources. It needs snipping which, as you say, is so much easier than adding. I wrote a decent article back then; much better than I could now. Which is chastening, but whatevs. Life is what it is. I need to stop now, but, yes, feel good about this. Thanks for the compliments - they mean a lot. And thanks for the help - as usual. Victoria (tk) 02:17, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Re post 2010 scholarship; I don't buy it, lith scholarship moves slowly, while exciting new theories are best left settle down before inclusion here (as with Vincent's talk[1]). Also see my and the sainted Rigger's frustrations with one trigger happy editor's comments on talk Talk:Caspar_David_Friedrich#WP:URFA/2020_review. Ceoil (talk) 08:22, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Exactly! Especially for Wikipedia's purposes. There's nothing new in regard to basic biographic facts/info or basic literary info. Will pick at it later in the week, time permitting. Victoria (tk) 16:27, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

I dont really have any other news. As we are sadly no longer spending time in CT, horizons now are the Scottish Islands (I have to see Iona", hen living in London in the 90s Liz used to date a dude from Orkney), and cities in eastern Europe. I work with a few people from Romania; hearing great things about eating out in Cluj and Iași. Trips like that mean we have to drive up to Dublin airport (yuck). But its good to have plans as its better to look forward rather than back. Ceoil (talk) 18:11, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

As it happens I got interested in Iona a few weeks ago after reading about the monks & the abbey in a book set in 7th cent. Northumberland. It took me a while to realize the Old English name Wii (or something like that) meant Iona. Anyway, go there! Seems fascinating. And the others too. Looking forward is always good; traveling is always good, too. Victoria (tk) 20:18, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

(Talk page follower comment) - If for some mysterious reason you go to Iona and are motivated to try your hand at golf, be aware that the main hazard is the bull on the 9th hole. Risker (talk) 05:25, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi Risker! That was an almost-spit-my-coffee-onto-the-keyboard funny comment. I have no comeback to it. Hope all is well with you and yours. Victoria (tk) 21:01, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Risker, feeling a strange mix of being impressed but envious that you've been there....grr. ps, the chances of me visiting a golf course when I vist (fingers crossed) this summer are slightly less than zero. I did play as a teenager, but am far too lazy now in my middle age ;) Ceoil (talk) 01:26, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

flowers, art, music

for you today, the birthday of M. C. Escher whose art inspired music, with best wishes for your health -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Today we have a centenarian story (documentation about it by Percy Adlon) and an article that had two sentences yesterday and was up for deletion, and needs a few more citations. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

You have a great deal of energy, Gerda. Much more than I. Victoria (tk) 16:01, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

July music

story · music · places

The story is today about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was blessed to hear. Listen, and perhaps read what Alma Mahler (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. - A meeting of two women - the occasion of the cantata - is pictured in our local church, 17th century. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Libuše Domanínská, the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Overnight, Tamara Milashkina became GA. - 4 July is also the birthday of Brian Boulton who wrote about Gianni Schicchi, and who was a pioneer of a concise infobox in 2013, including a list of works. Imagine if we just followed that example! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Happy 4th, Gerda! Victoria (tk) 16:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

It was a good day. I am sorry that you felt inflamed when I wanted to point out what could be common ground. Perhaps "pioneer" was the wrong word, - English often remains a mystery. Right after the closure of the arbcase about infobox, BB tried compromise (my understanding) by inserting what he called identibox to his "own" FA Percy Grainger, including a list of his compositions, and announced it on my talk. Imagine if we all accepted that such a thing is a good compromise, imagine we had accepted that back in 2013: no more flames would have been needed all these years. It saddens me that we didn't. How do you see it? How can we reach a compromise? - Do you understand that the removal of the list of compositions from Robert Schumann's infobox, never questioned and stable since 2020, a removal now in 2024 in the FAC preparation, inflamed me? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi! Victoria, a citation question for you

I now have a few Apple books (ebooks) that are good sources (academic publishers, etc.) The electronic pages numbers vary depending on type size and line spacing selected. How do I deal with page numbers in a citation?

The last eight years moved me to select my newest ebook: God, guns, and sedition : far-right terrorism in America. Bruce Hoffman and Jacob Ware New York, Columbia University Press, 2024 Series: A Council on Foreign Relations book, Includes bibliographical references and index

My best wishes for you; stress-free and cool summer
— Neonorange (talk to Phil) (he, they) 01:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC) —
ps I reach for stress-free; in Atlanta a cool summer is any day with a high below 95 — n —

(talk page stalker) Use a chapter or section title if available, if not include a short quote that would allow someone to locate the relevant text by searching. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:36, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 ::Thank you for helping, Nikkimaria. Have the best summer possible. Neonorange

Thanks, Nikki - the short quote suggestion is a good idea. Victoria (tk) 20:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey Phil, good to hear from you. What Nikki says. If you're using Template:Sfn there's a field for "location" that's used for chapter headings or numbers. If written freeform as I do, same thing. Re Apple books, thanks for the heads up. Have you checked out the Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library? It's really amazing these days. I downloaded some newly written books about Hemingway recently and was seriously pleased.

Yup, it's a hot summer. Not as hot where I am as in Atlanta, but still 90 or so & humid almost every day. In between we get tornadoes. It's the new normal. Happy 4th! Victoria (tk) 16:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the greeting and heads on new content in the Wikipedia Library. Dana and I are staying inside until the sun goes down today. Our daughter, now in Taiwan, is decamping for cooler and drier climes. Have a good Fourth. — Neonorange (talk to Phil) (he, they) 17:29, 4 July 2024 (UTC) —

We're in too, today. Tried going out, was too muggy, came in. But the late-day thunderstorms are building. The storms are scary these days. Or I'm just getting too old. Anyway, enjoy digging around the library. I've been having some fun there. It's a great perk. Victoria (tk) 20:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)