Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests
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If you are unable to complete a move for technical reasons, you can request technical help below. This is the correct method if you tried to move a page, but you got an error message saying something like "You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reasons:..." or "The/This page could not be moved, for the following reason:..."
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- To list a technical request: Uncontroversial technical requests subsection and insert the following code at the bottom of the list, filling in pages and reason:
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the - If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move the request to the Contested technical requests section, append a note on the request elaborating on why, and sign with ~~~~. Consider pinging the requester to let them know about the objection.
- If your technical request is contested, or if a contested request is left untouched without reply, create a requested move on the article talk and remove the request from the section here. The fastest and easiest way is to click the "discuss" button at the request, save the talk page, and remove the entry on this page.
Technical requests
Uncontroversial technical requests
- KMW+Nexter Defense Systems (currently a redirect to KNDS) → KNDS (move · discuss) – Official company name has changed to 'KNDS'. The 'KMW+Nexter' name is no longer used in official communications. TorreAzzurro (talk) 10:40, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- ABLOC CT (currently a redirect to Parkhotel Valkenburg CT) → Parkhotel Valkenburg CT (move · discuss) – Team name again for 2024 Seacactus 13 (talk) 04:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Shapsug Adyghe dialect (currently a redirect to Shapsug dialect) → Shapsug dialect (move · discuss) – the name 'Adyghe' isn't needed PK2 (talk) 22:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Abzakh Adyghe dialect (currently a redirect to Abzakh dialect) → Abzakh dialect (move · discuss) – the name 'Adyghe' isn't needed PK2 (talk) 22:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ysleta del Sur Pueblo → Tigua (currently a redirect back to Ysleta del Sur Pueblo) (move · discuss) – Page is about both a pueblo and corresponding tribe, both sometimes called Tigua. "Tigua" therefore makes more sense to describe both together, and already redirects to that page. — Moriwen (talk) 00:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just as a note, we have the page Tiwa Puebloans as well, which purports to talk about Tigua people... and if the article Ysleta del Sur Pueblo is intended to refer to a geographical location, perhaps it should remain thus. The situation is a bit confusing to be honest, and perhaps an RM involving those who know about this topic would be advisable. — Amakuru (talk) 15:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Meath → Meath (disambiguation) (currently a redirect back to Meath) (move · discuss) – It should be made a disambiguation page so Meath can be redirected to County Meath, which is the primary topic. TwinBoo (talk) 14:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Probably worth a discussion, as the historical Kingdom of Meath clearly has a long-term significance as well. Navigation statistics show that around 30% of viewers on the dab page go there, which is reasonably high given that County Meath is a current extant county where people live... Might be worth a discussion? — Amakuru (talk) 15:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Still, usually “Meath” simply refers to the county so I’d assume it would be the primary topic, but I’ll make a discussion if necessary. —TwinBoo (talk) 11:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Probably worth a discussion, as the historical Kingdom of Meath clearly has a long-term significance as well. Navigation statistics show that around 30% of viewers on the dab page go there, which is reasonably high given that County Meath is a current extant county where people live... Might be worth a discussion? — Amakuru (talk) 15:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Library Wars (film) (currently a redirect to Library Wars) → Library Wars (move · discuss) – The 2013 Japanese film Library Wars does not need to be disambiguated because the book that it was based on, Library War, is spelled differently. Centcom08 (talk) 19:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- F1LTHY (currently a redirect to F1lthy) → F1lthy (move · discuss) – IT says to come here to move it. i thank its supposed to be lower like MF Doom's article according to wikipedia rules Freedun (yippity yap) 20:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- lower case* Freedun (yippity yap) 20:40, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- AFC President's Cup (currently a redirect to AFC Challenge League) → AFC Challenge League (move · discuss) – Per consensus at Special:Permalink/1225573281#Requested move 24 May 2024. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 11:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Internet Information Services → Microsoft IIS (currently a redirect back to Internet Information Services) (move · discuss) – Per lack of objection at Special:Permalink/1225487827#Requested move 17 May 2024. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 11:49, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @SafariScribe: I don't understand this one. Microsoft IIS is not the common name affording to ngrams, I'm seeing IIS > Internet Information Services > Microsoft IIS. So I'd probably favour a move to the primary topic IIS, it seems more sought after and significant than other entries, but failing that it's best to leave as is. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 14:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I thought same but this was proposed for move, and even after relisting. I would rather reopen the discussion for extended period of time. What do you think? Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 14:22, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi SafariScribe you can reopen it I suppose, so the matter can be discussed. But in general we should only move pages in RMs that received no comments if the move itself makes sense. The move in this case doesn't seem to make sense, so it should either be no consensus or relisted. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 14:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I thought same but this was proposed for move, and even after relisting. I would rather reopen the discussion for extended period of time. What do you think? Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 14:22, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @SafariScribe: I don't understand this one. Microsoft IIS is not the common name affording to ngrams, I'm seeing IIS > Internet Information Services > Microsoft IIS. So I'd probably favour a move to the primary topic IIS, it seems more sought after and significant than other entries, but failing that it's best to leave as is. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 14:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Draft:Hila Vare → Hila Vare (currently a redirect instead to List of Papua New Guinea Twenty20 International cricketers) (move · discuss) – Redirect blocking the move Hildreth gazzard (talk) 13:11, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Draft:John Kariko → John Kariko (move · discuss) – Redirect blocking the move Hildreth gazzard (talk) 14:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Hildreth gazzard: since you're the sole author on both those drafts, you can just copy the text over the top of the existing redirect. This is preferable to erasing the history of the fact that it was a redirect. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 14:26, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I do not know how to access the redirect to do that Hildreth gazzard (talk) 14:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Requests to revert undiscussed moves
- Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Act (currently a redirect to Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Act 2024) → Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Act 2024 (move · discuss) – The article was changed to include the year of the Act, as this is how all Acts of the UK Parliament are referred to. The move to the incorrect title is wrong. The article should be reverted to the correct title. Mariawest1965 (talk) 13:49, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Contested technical requests
- David TC Davies → David T. C. Davies (currently a redirect back to David TC Davies) (move · discuss) – Per MOS:INITIALS. While the subject may prefer it styled this way, the reliable sources do not follow suit, which is the key point in the policy grounds for an exception style SchroCat (talk) 18:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC) - SchroCat (talk) 18:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @SchroCat: The article was moved from David T. C. Davies to its current title less than a year ago, so this would require further discussion. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 19:49, 28 May 2024 (UTC)- Over two years ago, actually. But yes, there needs to be a requested move discussion before restoring this reverted move. You can open an RM by clicking "discuss" on this request. SilverLocust 💬 05:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @SilverLocust Both actually. It was moved in February 2022 (over two years) and again in June 2023 (less than a year). --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 13:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)- The talk page was moved in June 2023 without moving the article. SilverLocust 💬 16:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @SilverLocust Both actually. It was moved in February 2022 (over two years) and again in June 2023 (less than a year). --Ahecht (TALK
- Over two years ago, actually. But yes, there needs to be a requested move discussion before restoring this reverted move. You can open an RM by clicking "discuss" on this request. SilverLocust 💬 05:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @SchroCat: The article was moved from David T. C. Davies to its current title less than a year ago, so this would require further discussion. --Ahecht (TALK
- Oyer and terminer → Oyer and Terminer (currently a redirect back to Oyer and terminer) (move · discuss) – legal title of a court deisenbe (talk) 20:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Deisenbe: Google Ngrams shows very mixed use on whether to capitalize. MOS:CAPS defaults to lowercase when there isn't a substantial majority for capitalizing. This move is potentially controversial, so it would require a requested-move discussion, which you can begin by clicking "discuss" on your request. You can remove this request after opening a discussion (or if you do not want to continue). SilverLocust 💬 01:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Monte Mars → Mont Mars (currently a redirect instead to Monte Mars) (move · discuss) – "Mont Mars" is far more widely sourced on the Internet that "Monte Mars". --Simoncik84 (talk) 13:11, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Simoncik84: The rest of the pages in Category:Mountains of the Biellese Alps use Monte. If you want to make an argument that they should all be renamed, that would need a formal move discussion. See WP:RMPM for instructions. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 14:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)- I'm talking here about Mont Mars only. Among the pages of this category, it's the only one with an entirely French name. Some of the other summits of this category which stay on the water divide between the Province of Biella and the Aosta Valley. In the latest, French is co-official with Italian, these summits have therefore two official names (in Italian and in French), as you can see in the articles' introduction, but not Mont Mars. Simoncik84 (talk) 15:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Simoncik84: The rest of the pages in Category:Mountains of the Biellese Alps use Monte. If you want to make an argument that they should all be renamed, that would need a formal move discussion. See WP:RMPM for instructions. --Ahecht (TALK
- Nisqually Indian Tribe of the Nisqually Reservation → Nisqually Indian Tribe (currently a redirect back to Nisqually Indian Tribe of the Nisqually Reservation) (move · discuss) – Change name to match name of tribe on the Federal Register Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 05:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not Nisqually tribe (or Nisqually Tribe or Nisqually Indian tribe)? Also, is "Indian" the best word choice here? — BarrelProof (talk) 10:31, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sources are mixed on use of "indian", even the tribe's official website uses it. As to the title, I'm not sure entirely whether we should use the federal register or dive deeper to find the common name via sources, I'm leaning towards the second (not sure if there's a special convention here though) ASUKITE 13:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- I prefer a full RM given that Native American-related discussions on Wikipedia are not uncontroversial and have attracted some outside attention; the WP:CR#Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 27#Category:Unrecognized tribes in the United States references news coverage. Local consensus on the topic has also not been uncontroversial—for example, Talk:Lily Gladstone#"Native American" actress left open the question that whether WP:NDNID (an essay) overrides the what the usual WP:RS say (Aquillon and others) and whether it is uncontroversial for NDNID to be in MOS:BIO (voorts). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it follows that because some Native American topics have been controversial that all of them are. I don't think it's controversial to ask that the article use the name used on the tribe's website and on the Federal Register. But I'm fine with a full RM if other editors insist on that. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 21:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- I prefer a full RM given that Native American-related discussions on Wikipedia are not uncontroversial and have attracted some outside attention; the WP:CR#Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 27#Category:Unrecognized tribes in the United States references news coverage. Local consensus on the topic has also not been uncontroversial—for example, Talk:Lily Gladstone#"Native American" actress left open the question that whether WP:NDNID (an essay) overrides the what the usual WP:RS say (Aquillon and others) and whether it is uncontroversial for NDNID to be in MOS:BIO (voorts). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm going by the name of the tribe as listed on the Federal Register as well as on the tribe's website. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 21:51, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sources are mixed on use of "indian", even the tribe's official website uses it. As to the title, I'm not sure entirely whether we should use the federal register or dive deeper to find the common name via sources, I'm leaning towards the second (not sure if there's a special convention here though) ASUKITE 13:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not Nisqually tribe (or Nisqually Tribe or Nisqually Indian tribe)? Also, is "Indian" the best word choice here? — BarrelProof (talk) 10:31, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- This can be discussed by clicking the "discuss" link in the header above if you wish ASUKITE 20:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- caffè macchiato → macchiato (currently a redirect back to Caffè macchiato) (move · discuss) – This is the proper English name, as the current title is in Italian. R.L (talk) 01:40, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Contesting: Your proposed title is just as much "in Italian". As the article says, "macchiato" is an Italian word with various meanings. Johnbod (talk) 02:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- You are correct that macchiato is an Italian word, but in English it only means the beverage. Caffè macchiato is just the Italian name for it, hence why the article uses italics. It hasn't yet entered our dictionaries. See wikt:macchiato. R.L (talk) 11:11, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Contesting: Your proposed title is just as much "in Italian". As the article says, "macchiato" is an Italian word with various meanings. Johnbod (talk) 02:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Administrator needed
- Kwansŏ → Kwanso (currently a redirect back to Kwansŏ) (move · discuss) – While this was posted under "Uncontroversial technical requests", an "Oppose" was indicated, with the expectation that since it was no longer uncontroversial, this request would be repositioned under WP:RM. The request was nevertheless subsequently moved as "Uncontroversial", but it should be restored to its previous form and submitted to a vote under WP:RM. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 15:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Ahecht: Courtesy pinging the page mover who may be able to explain the action. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 21:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- The only opposition was so contrary to Wikipedia's naming guidelines (WP: DIACRITICS) that it could be safely ignored. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 04:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)- This was my reasoning as well. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 07:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- The only opposition was so contrary to Wikipedia's naming guidelines (WP: DIACRITICS) that it could be safely ignored. --Ahecht (TALK
- Courtesy link: Special:Permalink/1226418332 (Previous request before removal. – robertsky (talk) 05:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- AFC Cup (currently a redirect to AFC Champions League Two) → AFC Champions League Two (move · discuss) – Per consensus at Special:Permalink/1225794194#Requested move 24 May 2024. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 11:44, 31 May 2024 (UTC)