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Mr Park, would you like to complete the third party opinion that you began a day or two ago please. Frankly I am beginning to get sickened by the whole affair and how it seems impossible to get resolution of a simple matter like this.BillMaddock (talk) 13:26, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
- I thought I had finished giving it! I'll take a look a little later this morning. --Regent's Park (Boating Lake) 14:53, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
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I believe your confusing yourself with what POK means its a pov term used by Indians unless its removed i wont stop editing IOK pages got that86.158.237.94 (talk) 10:24, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
- We generally try to use names that are neutral as well as names that are commonly accepted. That policy is generally a good one because, particularly in disputed situations, any name at all will clash with someone or the other's world view and, without application of that policy, the article will be in an endless naming war. We have to have a functional encyclopedia so it is best to accept that and move on. You may, of course, open a discussion on the article talk page. Since you are well-informed on the situation in Kashmir, perhaps there are other ways in which you can make articles on that subject better. That will be much appreciated! Thanks for taking the trouble to edit wikipedia. --Regent's Park (Boating Lake) 12:10, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
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Arundhati Roy, again
Hey Regent's Park, it's happening all over again--unreferenced smears called "media criticisms." You tagged them, in what I think was a genuine attempt at diplomacy and tact in the spirit of cooperation, rather than deleting them. I applaud you for your patience. I left a note on the talk page, and I may have been more polemic than I should have--but it's trying on one's patience. Do you think at some point more protective measures need to be taken? Kind regards, Drmies (talk) 22:27, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
- Well, I was planning in swinging by in a day to delete the text if no WP:RS were added. Technically, the material should be deleted immediately per WP:BLP. I'll delete it later tonight and let's see what happens. --Regent's Park (Boating Lake) 23:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
- Good work. Drmies (talk) 02:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Kingdom of Mysore FAR
Hi there, Well, my position is that Kingdom of Mysore violates three Featured article criteria. These are:
- 1 (b) It is poorly cited: it cites two or three unremarkable sources, at least one of which is written by a historian with publicly stated Hindu nationalist sympathies; the sources show up nowhere on Google scholar. Meanwhile all the scholars who have worked on Mysore (which incidentally is one of the most worked over topics in early-modern and modern Indian history) are ignored.
- 1 (c) It is not comprehensive. It creates a partial history of Mysore and can't seem to decide if it is about the dynasty (the Wodeyars) or about a state. See, for example, my History of Mysore and Coorg, 1565–1760 for a more balanced dynamic history.
- 1 (d) it is a biased, revisionist history of Mysore, which glorifies a defunct dynasty of Hindu rulers, and minimizes the contributions of both the Muslim sultans (Haidar Ali and Tipu Sultan) and of the British. Furthermore, it glorifies a princely state by turning it into a "Kingdom," when all the others (some older than Mysore) are called states, for example, Hyderabad State, Kashmir and Jammu (princely state). Until their hand was forced, the primary authors were trying to get away with calling Haidar Ali and Tipu Sultan the "de facto" rulers, in order that the Wodeyars could be shown to have ruled uninterruptedly from 1399 to 1947. To put it bluntly, it is one of the most blatant Hindu nationalist snow jobs I've seen on Wikipedia. Read the version (from November 2007?) that passed the FAC and you'll realize what sort of garbage can become an FA. They weren't even calling it a princely state then; I did that in March of 2008.
Please see user:Fowler&fowler/Kingdom of Mysore FAR (sections 1.2 to 1.8) for a more detailed critique and please ask me any questions you have. This is not a content dispute. It is sort of the equivalent of having the Mishra dude write the Indian rebellion of 1857 page and then turning it into an FA. It's that bad. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:56, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
- PS I haven't even bothered with 1 (a), which the article fails miserably. I mean the prose would not even pass a GA. It shows that if you can round up enough people to provide perfunctory support you can turn any article into an FA. This, in my view, is essentially what happened in about a dozen Karnataka/Kannada related articles that became featured in 2007 and 2008. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:06, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, it is Kamath who believes that the RSS should be teaching moral education to all Indian children and whose school textbooks in Karnataka were the models for the BJP's later attempt at juvenile brainwashing. The 1980 edition of his book (in which his name is spelled "Suryanatha Kamat") is available in some libraries in the US; however, the later editions (for example the 2001 edition that user:DK has used), where his name is spelled "Suryanath U. Kamath", doesn't have any numbers (ISBN, LCCN, etc. etc.). It doesn't show up in the library of Kamath's own former university, Bangalore University! I actually had an acquaintance in India call the publisher (Jupiter Books) and it turns out that they bring out "new editions" every year that are used in high-school and colleges in Karnataka. These editions cost Rs. 65 (approx. $1.50). My acquaintance ordered the book and sent me some scanned pages. It had no real copyright information! Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:53, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
- Our posts must have crossed! If you manage to locate the 1980 edition of his book, which I believe was better than the later editions, I'd be interested to know what you think of it. Comparing the later version with some of the snippets of the 1980 version, I couldn't help feeling that someone other than Kamath had done the revising! Fowler&fowler«Talk» 05:42, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
- It is the 1980 edition according to the catalog. Title: A concise history of Karnataka : from pre-historic times to the present / Suryanath U. Kamath. Physical Description: 319, [5] p. : maps, geneal. tables ; 23 cm. Publisher/ Date: Bangalore : Archana Prakashana, 1980. I'll pick it up on Tuesday after the MLK holiday. --Regent's Park (Boating Lake) 12:43, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yup, that's the one. Apparently, there are a number of authors who started their careers working on gazetteers and later wrote books on history of the region. These include, Lewis Rice, C. Hayavadana Rao, Kamath, and Chopra (although the last worked on the Indian gazetteer). The latter-most two have been used in the KofM article quite extensively. According to Sanjay Subrahmanyam (Warfare and state finance ...), all the gazetteer histories are based on Rice, which in turn is based on Wilks' History. (See the section "sources and historiography" in my History of M&C as well as the references section for public domain versions of Wilks and Rice.) Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:45, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
- It is the 1980 edition according to the catalog. Title: A concise history of Karnataka : from pre-historic times to the present / Suryanath U. Kamath. Physical Description: 319, [5] p. : maps, geneal. tables ; 23 cm. Publisher/ Date: Bangalore : Archana Prakashana, 1980. I'll pick it up on Tuesday after the MLK holiday. --Regent's Park (Boating Lake) 12:43, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
- Our posts must have crossed! If you manage to locate the 1980 edition of his book, which I believe was better than the later editions, I'd be interested to know what you think of it. Comparing the later version with some of the snippets of the 1980 version, I couldn't help feeling that someone other than Kamath had done the revising! Fowler&fowler«Talk» 05:42, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, it is Kamath who believes that the RSS should be teaching moral education to all Indian children and whose school textbooks in Karnataka were the models for the BJP's later attempt at juvenile brainwashing. The 1980 edition of his book (in which his name is spelled "Suryanatha Kamat") is available in some libraries in the US; however, the later editions (for example the 2001 edition that user:DK has used), where his name is spelled "Suryanath U. Kamath", doesn't have any numbers (ISBN, LCCN, etc. etc.). It doesn't show up in the library of Kamath's own former university, Bangalore University! I actually had an acquaintance in India call the publisher (Jupiter Books) and it turns out that they bring out "new editions" every year that are used in high-school and colleges in Karnataka. These editions cost Rs. 65 (approx. $1.50). My acquaintance ordered the book and sent me some scanned pages. It had no real copyright information! Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:53, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
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Kingdom of Mysore
Hi. Thanks for taking interest in this article. Reading Kamath's book would be a good start because he touches upon just about everything in the article. But please do be aware that there are no shortage of books that qualify the sections on Administration (inclusind individual Diwans of Mysore), Literature and Music. In fact you will find individual books on great personalities such as Sir Mokshagundam Visvesvarayya, Sir Mirza Ismail, all of who have been dealt with in the Administration section. There are several sources that dwell on the topics of religion, society and such, which has been used to complete this well rounded article. If you need anymore material, please do let me know and I can try to provide it for you.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 01:08, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
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Just a thank you to an unappreciated volunteer who takes the time to work WP:3O. (And, yes, I would have thanked you regardless of your ultimate opinion.) Appreciate ya! Kelly hi! 16:46, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks (for the thanks!). You should try giving a 3O sometime. Giving a dispassionate opinion is enjoyable and a good way to de-stress in other articles where your passions may run higher! --Regent's Park (Boating Lake) 21:48, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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Would you like to be an admin?
It's true, I will not be editing. I'm just about sticking around till midnight January 31/Feb 1, the time of my first edit to Wikipedia five years ago. Would you like me to nominate you as admin? =Nichalp «Talk»= 20:14, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
- Well, I guess so. I have some spare time these days (thanks to the state of the economy) and could make myself useful. To be honest, the question I'm going to have trouble answering is 'What admin work do you intend to take part in?'. I've given a few opinions on AFD, tagged a couple of articles for Speedy delete, but, other than that, haven't really hung out in admin type areas. I do lots of 3O stuff because I like it, and do give move opinions, usually on relisted moves, but that's about it. I don't hang out on ANI or AN or RFA talk or other places where admin hopefuls hang out. From what I've seen on RFA, that's usually a good reason to oppose (the lack of experience of admin areas). But, I can live with that and I think it unlikely that I'll change the way I edit just to become an admin. If you think this is not a long shot, I'll write up answers to the three basic questions. (BTW, why are you leaving wikipedia? Is it because you've been here too long? I hope you're not disillusioned with the process or the potential of this encyclopedia?) --Regent's Park (Boating Lake) 02:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- All yours: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/RegentsPark :) Good luck. I'll answer your question and one to Fowler later this week. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:47, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, I've thrown you to the dogs :) =Nichalp «Talk»= 21:07, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- All yours: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/RegentsPark :) Good luck. I'll answer your question and one to Fowler later this week. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:47, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Proposal at Talk:Kingdom of Mysore
Please respond at Proposal. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:46, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Your RFA
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Blackbeard
The Blackbeard page seems to attract an awful lot of vandals. I'm relatively new to the Wikipedia community, but I understand some pages don't allow input from unregistered users; think maybe Blackbeard's time has come for that? (Thanks for doing so much heavy lifting on the clean-up there.) Vincent pearse (talk) 16:53, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- Perhaps you're right. Protecting pages against unregistered users should generally be a last resort but I do notice several instances where the vandalized page stayed unreverted for a considerable period of time. Perhaps we should see how it looks over the next few days. (I wonder what attracts vandals to Blackbeard? Is there something out there in the popular culture that gets people to type 'Blackbeard' in the search box?)
Kathmandu
Hi there! Have you been to Kathmandu? 202.79.40.131 (talk) 18:57, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Bombay
I didn't know your sister lives here. Which region of town would this be? =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:31, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
- Kemp's Corner (but will be moving elsewhere soon). I visited her last July (and may make another trip this March). Hope you're rethinking your plan to drop out of wikipedia completely. --Regent's Park (Boating Lake) 18:09, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
- Hmmn, not very far from where I live. (I live in visual distance of one of the November attacked sites). I have to go, you will be there to continue on. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
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