Talk:Time (magazine)

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In the 1930s, Luce felt strongly that America was not doing enough to arm itself for another World War, that Franklin Roosevelt was doing a shameful job avoiding his duty.

This seems to me to be rather out of place and unrelated to anything around it, so I'm removing it. -- bdesham

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Since the name of the magazine is "Time," shouldn't this article be titled "Time (magazine)" ? -- isis 10:06 Dec 13, 2002 (UTC)

Actually, the magazine is called TIME magazine, but I don't know if the wikipedia naming convention allows for naming it that here. Kingturtle 17:31 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

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Regarding the cover picture, it is a copyrighted material for sure but isn't it a fair use? -- Taku 18:04 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

1) Fair use is a more restrictive policy than the GFDL; in other words, it goes against the purpose of using the GFDL, which is to let anyone reuse Wikipedia content as they see fir (as long as they allow redistribution).

2) It's a defense, not a presumptive right--that is, AOL Time Warner could get an injunction on Wikipedia for having use the images, and we'd have to take them down whether or not we went to court to defend our use of the image.

So fair use is generally not a good idea, especially when it comes to things like full-size copies of TIME Magazine covers, which probably wouldn't be defensible under fair use doctrine even if we tried to use that defense in court. --The Cunctator

You think fiar use is not a good idea and you have a right to insist it, but it is not our agreement at all. The picture used under fair use is not covered by GFDL. And I know some people, particulary Larry back that we should avoid possible legal suits as much as possible. They have a point but it is not a settled agreement either. -- Taku 18:14 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

Ask yourself, is the image VITAL to this article? No. So let's play safe. :-) -- Tarquin 18:17 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

Not it is not, but then you think we shouldn't put a cover picture for movies or albums? We can remove pictures always after copyright-holders started to complain. Let's stop copyright paranoia. -- Taku 18:28 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

It's not copyright paranoia to avoid sticking copyrighted images all over Wikipedia. It's respect for users of Wikipedia. Including copyrighted images and calling it "fair use" prevents (or at least places unfair burdens on) people using Wikipedia content for commercial purposes, which we otherwise allow. And there's a big difference between a thumbnail image and a full-size copy. You'd have had much better luck if you had put in a itty-bitty Time magazine cover. --The Cunctator 18:56 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

There you go - it is now 200 px wide. --mav 19:20 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks Mav and sorry about the size. I don't have a decent tool to resize the picture. It is preferable in wikipedia that people cooraborate rather than speak out responsibility. Actually I am little confused what is your opinion. It seems there three ones now:

• Fair use should not be applied in wikipedia
• Imagies with fair use should be only used for vital purpose
• Imagies with fair use should be used with decent picture size.

Which one? Anyway, at least to my knowledge there is no policy to ban uploading imagines under fair use. Of course, we can discuss any time we should put a picture or not but sysops should not act based on their belief but on consensus. -- Taku 19:39 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

A small image like the one now displayed in this article cannot be used to print out a decent reproduction of the cover. It's only possible use now is to illustrate how the cover looks. This makes the argument that our use is fair that much stronger. Thumbnails are almost always fair game - otherwise Google's image search utility would not be able to exist (they do not pay royalties to the image's copyright holders or even ask them permission to index and store thumbnails of the images). --mav

I see. Your arugment makes much sense to me. -- Taku

Why that cover? How about a more famous one, like the Hitler Man of the Year cover, or the OJ Simpson cover? Kingturtle 20:05 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

Yeah, that was also my concern. I avoid famous one because we don't have a particular reason to choose Hitler over OJ Simpson. So I simply choose one that is put in the article. -- Taku 21:03 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

Great montage of covers. Thanks a lot, User:Minesweeper. -- Taku

Article title

How about moving this to TIME? --`Jiang 06:30, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I thought this would be much better @ Time(Magazine) Ilyanep 22:33, 31 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Why? The title is usually capitalized. --Jiang 23:33, 31 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Wasn't there a naming convention against all caps. Ilyanep 00:25, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization) and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (acronyms). TIME is not an acronym so it should not be capitalized. Either Time (magazine) or the old title Time magazine would be better. --mav

I would perfer Time magazine... Ilyanep 01:13, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)

It's not us deciding to capitalize it. Go speak to the folks at Time Magazine on why they want the name of the magazine capitalized on every issue. This is their name. People have a right to mess with the capitalization in their own name. It's like asking to move CamelCase to Camel Case because we abolished CamelCase. --Jiang 01:59, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)

The names of many things are very commonly in all caps. The names of shows like Star Trek or all the Star Wars movies for example. Just because they capitalize their name as part of their branding does not mean that we should follow suit. Should we exactly reproduce the font type as well? --mav

Star Trek and Star Wars are not capitalized in normal print, while TIME is always capitalized [1] in letter to the editor, within articles, etc. where special formatting would not be allowed. The TIME is the articles is in a standard font different from the TIME in the logo. --Jiang 09:12, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Not always [2] (esp for Time Inc.). But I concede the distinction. Thank you for clarifying. --mav

The correct name of this article is TIME. —Lowellian (talk) 04:40, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

Not according to the manual of style.

Follow our usual text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment:

• avoid: REALTOR
• instead, use: Realtor

Same situation.

– flamurai (t) 06:57, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

Left of Center

I removed the reference to Time being a left of center newsmagazine, since referring to it as such is a violation of NPOV (See Wikipedia:Neutral point of view) At the point that what is the "center" changes as society changes, it would be impossible to classify Time as being left of center. Was it left of center in 1940? Will it be in 20 years? 100 years? If you must classify it, do so later in the article, and say something like "Time was/is considered by some to be left of center in the late 20th early 21st century" Theon 06:42, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

This does not violate the NPOV. TIME magazine (to which I subscribe to), is both openly liberal and widely percieved as such. If stating one publication or another is not of political affilation "A," you have to go through the entire Wikipedia ripping out quite alot. Also, one of the advantages of Wikipedia is that entries can be modified as circumstances dictacte. Ergo, one can state "X is Y" now, but easily change to "X is Z" in the future.

MSTCrow

Some people think "Time is very much down the middle of the political spectrum."[3] You can't put something like that in without a source, and even then it shouldn't be in the lead like it's fact when it's about perception. – flamurai (t) 08:59, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

The other magazines that you cite are pollitical magazines, and as such either advertize their leanings or are specifically designed to have a specific slant that is generally accepted, even by their own publishers. Time is not a pollitical magazine, and does not advertize itself to be a pollitical magazine. To state that it has any leanings, left or right, is therefore completely subjective. A communist might consider Time to be conservative, a republican might consider it liberal. Wikipedia cannot take a stand on wether TIME is left or right of center. If you feel that stating time is left of center is essential to the article, state it as "Some people feel that time is a left of center newsmagazine" or something to that affect. We cannot state the pollitical leanings of an admittedly general newsmagazine as fact. Theon 17:49, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

From RFC

Hmm... it seems to me that if someone's trademarked name is TIME, we should use TIME. I read the style manual's reference, and earlier comments on REALTOR v Realtor. But someone's brand name is a different matter than someone on the 25th floor in the marketing department of an accounting company who decided to send out a press release with "Our AcCountants! are ready to serve you!" I agree that in that case we wouldn't parrot "AcCountants!" just because that's the way they chose to spell that common word. But there are other instances where Wikipedia has honored the capitalization irregularities of a brand name -- such as iPod. The i is capitalized in the header, but only because of the limitations of Wikipedia... in the article, it is referred to as iPod. · Katefan0^(scribble) 20:38, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

But of course "iPod" is a case onto its own because it uses mixed caps, and glues together separate words (if you can call "i" a word, that is). Compare CamelCase, which is neither a brand nor a trademark, but is just spelled that way (and it would indeed make no sense whatsoever to use the regular capitalization rules). Similarly, the iPod is not the "Ipod"; this is not merely capitalization, but loses semantics. This change would be quite a bit more drastic than changing TIME to Time, so I'm not sure the comparison is valid. That said, I personally couldn't care less where the article ends up, and neither, I'd wager, would most of our readers, as long as the article can be found from all of Time and Time magazine and TIME magazine. JRM 21:02, 2005 Apr 16 (UTC)

Wiki in TIME

Interesting that Time did a big feature on Wikipedia. I wonder if people are discussing this anywhere? :) Krupo 04:12, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

No Trekphiler 16:47, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Stuff TIME

Came across this: in 3 March 1923 debut ish, there was an obit of the last survivor of Cardigan's Light Cav from Balaclava, Thomas Shaw. Trekphiler 16:47, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Capitalize it already!

TIME is the name of the magazine; the article title and references to it should be capitalized as such. I was sort of OK with the title "Time magazine" (since that is the most common way for other media to refer to the magazine), until I noticed that was just a redirect to the article Time (magazine)! (As if it sits opposite Time (concept).) The "REALTOR" case mentioned in the guidelines is quite different from the case with TIME - REALTOR holds the same meaning in written and spoken English as Realtor. With TIME, however, when the word "magazine" is left out, the capitalization distinguishes it from any other use. The bottom line: the title is the name TIME, not the word Time. -- Renesis13 07:04, 29 December 2005 (UTC)