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1. February 2006 – June 2007
2. June 8, 2007 – June 29, 2007
3. June 30, 2007 – July 18, 2007
4. July 19, 2007 – August 26, 2007
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Welcome back

Just wanted to say welcome back, haha. Good to have you.►Chris Nelson 01:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Dodger Blue

It is odd that Web_colors#X11_color_names calls the powder blue Dodger blue. Thanks for making the change.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Templates on team pages

Don't forget to put the WS roster templates on the franchise pages. I am doing the Dodgers, Pirates and Yankees.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 01:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

NFL standings

I noticed on 2007 Miami Dolphins season you put Miami's place in the standings as T-4th. I wanted to let you know that this is inaccurate, and it is actually T-2nd. With New England in first and the Bills/Dolphins/Jets all 0-1 behind them, they are all tied for second. Just wanted to let you know so you wouldn't do this in the future, and make sure you didn't do it to any other NFL teams' season articles if you've edited them.►Chris Nelson 00:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Scott Milanovich re-deleted

I asked at WP:AN about your re-creation of Scott Milanovich from Google cache. The general response was that if an article has been deleted via WP:CSD#G5, re-creating an identical (or near-identical) copy of the article in your own name is basically violating WP:GFDL since the text is that of the banned user but the attribution is to you. If you want to create a new stub at Scott Milanovich, feel free, but you should not copy the contents from Google cache again. Thanks. —Wknight94 (talk) 03:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Editing Spree

Good luck on your editing spree. I may try to help (assuming I remember). -jj137^{Talk • Contribs} 22:20, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Jj. I hope to begin tonight. I'll need to stick to my goal, though, because I have a tendency to just get off-topic at anytime. Soxrock 22:27, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I have to agree, it is very easy to get off topic. -jj137^{Talk • Contribs} 00:28, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. Also, I ask this; Do you remember the B-R bullpen? I just ask because you've been inactive since the day you origially came. Soxrock 00:30, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Ha ha yes, I do! I guess I've spent more time here though fixing up the baseball articles. -jj137^{Talk • Contribs} 00:46, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the clarification. I've recently gotten my 8000th edit there (last Saturday) Soxrock 00:47, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Whoa! I don't even have that many edits here (around 5300). -jj137^{Talk • Contribs} 01:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought of an idea. While you try to work on all of these articles, would you mind if I got started on some of the game logs for them? -jj137^{Talk • Contribs} 03:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I guess. I mean, the game logs hold no copyrights, you can model them after the 2007 game logs (whats so funny about the whole controversy anyway is that what is the difference between the MLB team schedule and an NFL one? Catch my drift? Soxrock 14:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I think I understand. What you mean is that the game logs aren't really required, but they're interesting. -jj137^{Talk • Contribs} 15:50, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Kinda, but that wasn't what I was getting at. I was saying that game logs are do not require special permission from the MLB. My comparison with the NFL ones is this: Look at 1985 New England Patriots season. Game log there for 4 months, right? No questions about it? But the 1993 Marlins game log was deleted hours after it was created due to potential copyvios. But talking with Sean Forman of B-R, he confirmed that they are NOT copyrighted. Just a note, I'd actually create the logs on the article, and, when finished, then put them in a template, so if it got deleted, you could easily get the log back. Soxrock 16:59, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

All right, thanks for the help. -jj137^{Talk • Contribs} 17:17, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Hold on, so it got deleted for copyvio even though there is no copyright on it, right? Also, possibly because it wasn't a template. -jj137^{Talk • Contribs} 17:21, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Wait, I may have you confused. At the time (07/23/2007), Jaranda deleted it citing "copyvios." On the 16th of August, I talked with B-R, and it was confirmed that Jaranda was wrong, that game logs are perfectly allowable (if you have e-mail, I can forward you the message).

Now, the 1993 Marlins article was not deleted, the 1993 Marlins game log was. Thanks for the help Soxrock 17:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

All right, I get it. Thanks!-jj137^{Talk • Contribs} 19:25, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

2000 Chicago White Sox season

Actually, it's the other way around. http://www.bibleocean.com/OmniDefinition/2000_Chicago_White_Sox_season is an exact copy of 2000 Chicago White Sox season; the bottom of the page reads "Original Article from WikiPedia: http://en.chped.com/wiki/2000_Chicago_White_Sox_season." Ksy92003(talk) 21:18, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that. And have you noticed Betacommand has flooded my page? I am sick of beig in trouble with these damn images Soxrock 21:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

If they are bothering you that much, then why don't you just delete them? I mean they do make it kinda hard to navigate around this page. You've got 71 sections... 62 of them are from BetacommandBot.

By the way, I'd appreciate it if you could chime in at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League#Continued discussion. You can read #Categories to find out what the whole conversation there is about. Ksy92003(talk) 21:24, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, I will. Heck, I should create a specialized archive, "Archive - Betacommand alerts". I mean, I've gotten at least 100 notices from that friggin bot. Either way, I'll be sure to remove the clutter from this page. It's a waste of space and it's very uninviting and looks bad ("Hey, look. This guy can't license his image right. Hah" because every friggin logo is subject for deletion apparently. That whole NFC #10 thing looks like bullshit)

Also, I'll pitch in my opinion. Thanks Soxrock 21:28, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

You know, from now on, I think you should create an archive page for those, just to see how many you get for fun. However, according to this page, you are currently third. HeMan5 (149) and Transent (88) ahead of you (70).

Anyway, I'm gonna go now. Be sure to leave your opinion at the page I gave you. Later. Ksy92003(talk) 21:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

This message was placed automatically, and it is possible that the bot is confused and found similarity where none actually exists. If that is the case, you can remove the tag from the article and it would be appreciated if you could drop a note on the maintainer's talk page. CorenSearchBot 22:12, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Please be careful

It looks like you are adding game logs to New York Yankees season articles. Which is great. :) But at the same time, you are adding the Baseball templates category to the articles. That category is just for baseball templates, not articles that have templates in them. I am fixing the ones you've done so far to comment out or remote that category. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 11:45, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Ice Hockey newsletter

WikiProject Ice Hockey Newsletter Dear Soxrock! You are receiving as you are a member of WikiProject Ice Hockey There's been more new thing going on at WP:HOCKEY, and I think this will help you to stay informed. Since the last newsletter sent out in August, there's been great changes. Read on to find out! Maxim(talk) This just in: Maurice 'Rocket' Richard Trophy has just been promoted to featured list status, while the bot was delivering the newsletter. Maxim(talk) 02:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC) And I've just promoted Art Ross Trophy. And Clarence S. Campbell Bowl is at FLC. This should be the last update. Maxim(talk) 00:40, 30 September 2007 (UTC) New recognized content By Maxim Especially due to the featured topic drive, there have been many new featured lists promoted concerning NHL awards. Here's the full list of all the 13 FL's promoted since the last newsletter. Hart Memorial Trophy James Norris Memorial Trophy Vezina Trophy Conn Smythe Trophy Frank J. Selke Trophy Lady Byng Memorial Trophy Lester B. Pearson Award Calder Memorial Trophy Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy King Clancy Memorial Trophy Jack Adams Award Presidents' Trophy List of Calgary Flames players There have been no new good articles or featured articles. Maurice 'Rocket' Richard Trophy has been given A-Class status due to multiple issues raised at FLC. Did You Know? By Maxim There have been 4 new articles featured in the Did You Know section? on the Main Page since August. Wally Tatomir - August 4, 2007, authored by User:Maxim. ...that Wally Tatomir, head equipment manager of the Carolina Hurricanes, holds four patents on ice hockey-related equipment? Mark Major - August 12, 2007, authored by User:Schmackity ...that ice hockey player Mark Major attained 355 penalty minutes during the 1997-98 AHL season for the Portland Pirates, where he averaged 4.5 penalty minutes a game and still holds the club record? Garth Butcher - September 15, 2007, authored by User:Canuckle. ...that Garth Butcher was a member of Canada's first-ever gold medal team at the World Junior Ice Hockey Championships before becoming a pest and setting team records for penalty minutes in the National Hockey League? AMP NHL Winter Classic - September 22, 2007, authored by User:Skudrafan1 ..that the AMP NHL Winter Classic is scheduled to be the first regular-season outdoor National Hockey League game in the United States? Featured Topic Drive By Maxim Started by User:Scorpion0422, the aim of this drive is to make NHL awards a featured topic. A featured topic is basically a set of very high quality articles (good articles and featured articles/lists). In this case, the topic is NHL awards. Many users have helped, including Scorpion0422, Resolute, Serte, Hasek is the best, Maxim, Croat Canuck, Spike Wilbury, FutureNJGov, and T Rex/Dinosaur puppy. The progress has been very good; there are 12 featured lists promoted, and 2 good articles: Hart Memorial Trophy (Scorpion) James Norris Memorial Trophy (Scorpion) Vezina Trophy (Scorpion) Conn Smythe Trophy (Serte) Frank J. Selke Trophy (FutureNJGov) Lady Byng Memorial Trophy (Scorpion) Lester B. Pearson Award (Scorpion) Calder Memorial Trophy (Croat Canuck) Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy (Maxim) King Clancy Memorial Trophy (Maxim) Jack Adams Award (Maxim) Presidents' Trophy (Scorpion) Stanley Cup (Earlier collaboration, very many involved) Traditions and anecdotes associated with the Stanley Cup (Maxim) Check the project page if you are interested in helping out. Although it's closer to being done than not, there's still work to be done. The next topic that might be tackled is Stanley Cup, but this remains purely speculative and in discussion.

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Format

Hehe you're following suit here. Just one question: Why red for the comment box? Ksy92003(talk) 23:29, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, in case you haven't been checking your e-mail recently, I've sent you a couple in the past 24 hours, one about something that happened recently. Ksy92003(talk) 23:30, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

The other is about something that happened just as recently. Ksy92003(talk) 23:31, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Ahh, I didn't even think about the Bucs. My colors are the Kings "forum blue" and silver.

By the way, sorry I didn't reply until just now. I went to Angel Stadium for a "Rally Monday". It was cool: guys like fellow-Long Beach-ians Bobby Grich and Tim Salmon as well as Jim Abbott and Chuck Finley, the USC Marching Band, and the Golden Knights Parachute team. So it was fun. Ksy92003(talk) 03:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Of course I knew that. Now, my parents went to Poly, and of course they had Tony Gwynn, so we're kinda even there. Ksy92003(talk) 03:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I want the Rockies to win!!!

By the way, Chris was recently blocked. Ksy92003(talk) 04:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

The Chris block stems from something at Talk:2007 New England Patriots season and there are discussions at User talk:Picaroon and User talk:Durova which should help in your understanding of the situation. Durova blocked him 20 minutes ago.

Well, the tying run on base for the Rockies. GO COLORADO!!! Assume you're watching on TBS. Ksy92003(talk) 04:11, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

8-8, 0 outs, runners on the corners. Colorado had better score and advance. Ksy92003(talk) 04:17, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

But Holliday cut himself on the play. Ksy92003(talk) 04:20, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

And the Hoff gave up the lead, blew the save, and got the lost. But it was kinda sad because Holliday hurt himself sending the Rox to the postseason for the second time in their franchise history (1995), and their MVP candidate was just sitting at home plate bleeding. I still don't know how he got cut; it didn't look like he made bad contact anywhere. I think he got cut by the brim of his helmet, when his head slammed against the clay.

By the way, I just found out that Scott Schoeneweis (or however you spell his name) reportedly received steriods from the Florida group in 2003 and 2004, and he played with the Angels and that kinda scares me.

Another "by the way" here: what do you think of the Chris block? I assume you read up on it already. Ksy92003(talk) 04:27, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

The only thing that worries me about the Padres losing is now, Milton Bradley is gonna come out saying "it's all Winters' fault we lost; I got hurt, lost my season, and I couldn't help us." Hey, last time I checked, Bradley, you weren't even ejected from that game until you left your base to argue. And also, isn't it your fault your team lost Mike Cameron? Didn't you step on his hand, causing him to miss the rest of the season also? It's only a matter of time before he lashes out at the umpires for costing the Padres their playoff spot. Maybe the reason why you didn't make the playoffs is because you didn't go 14-1 in their final 15 games (including tonight's affair) like the Rockies did. Maybe it's because the Rockies swept you. If you win just one of those games, then you'd be in. You don't deserve to make the playoffs if you can't beat the team that's chasing you once in three games. Why else do you think the Phillies beat the Mets? Not because the Mets stunk down the stretch, but because they are 0-8 in their last 8 games against the team that was chasing you.

Anyway, as for the Chris situation, I still don't see how he doesn't think it was his fault.

Anyway, good night. Ksy92003(talk) 04:36, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

That will go down as the "immaculate" safe call. But the umps blew the home run call earlier, so that made up for it. The Rockies just came out of nowhere, it seems, to get into the post-season. The other teams better watch out. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 04:46, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

And don't forget, in order to get to the WS, you gotta beat the Indians, and then the Angels in Anaheim. Yeah, good luck with that. But seriously, the Rockies were robbed of a HR, and I'm not sure that I disagree with the call at the plate at the end. Yeah, I think that he missed the plate, but in all fairness, he couldn't go through because he cut his thumb on Barrett's cleat.

Sorry, but I want to say one more thing about Chris. Bjewiki (talk · contribs) reported this to Durova, and said this in regards to the personal attacks: "Chris - As far as I can see in that conversation, Ksy92003 disagreed with you, but you were the one who sunk to personal attacks like "Are you F&*$ing Blind", "grow up", and something involving pubes." Yeah, that doesn't seem like a personal attack, at all. Pats1 (talk · contribs) said "Ksy most certainly derailed the entire discussion and provoked the flamefest it is right now with his completely unnecessary and unprovoked 'Chris is a liar...' comment," but if you look at Talk:2007 New England Patriots season, you'll see that when I said that comment, I expressed that it was my opinion, that that was what his character appeared to be like, and stated that I was not trying to make a personal attack. Pats1's first comment is, what in my opinion, sparked the "flamefest" on that article.

Additionally, both Pats1 and Chris say that I'm the one who drove the discussion off topic. If you look at that page, you'll see that at the section heading "Section heading" that the first comment not related to the topic was left by Pats1, and then I felt the need to defend myself and my comment, and it all went from there. So I don't know how they can both deny the fact that I didn't spark that discussion.

It didn't surprise me that he was blocked for WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA, but I think it should've been longer than 24 hours because of all the problems with him in the past. Ksy92003(talk) 04:53, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

As far as the play at the plate, I don't think the video is conclusive, and I'm not sure Holliday thought he was safe himself. But the ump said safe, and dat's dat. That's why I say watch out. This is "team of destiny" stuff, and I believe in that concept (but let's hope they don't start crediting their success to Jesus, or some such nonsense). Otherwise, all I know for sure is that Barrett is now on the outside looking in, and he has his June 1st fistfight with Zambrano to thank for it. They talk about Piniella's June 2nd cap-kicking fest being a spark that started turning the team around (a game I saw in person, actually) but I think dumping Barrett was also a positive sign. Speaking of fights... I've been watching this Nelson saga a little bit. Cooler heads are not exactly prevailing. But there is no excuse here, ever, for dropping the F-bomb. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 05:07, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

From a baseball analyst's perspective, when you have a hot team like the Rockies at home against a struggling team like the Padres, it's clear who should win a one-game series, even with Peavy on the hill. In fact, today was the first time in MLB history that the team in a one-game playoff whose starting pitcher had more wins than the other lost a one-game playoff. I think it all goes back to Milton Bradley arguing over nothing, really, and hurting himself, his team, and his fans. Curse the day the Padres got him from the A's.

As for the Chris "saga" that you have been following, Baseball Bugs, since it looks like you know some about this, I'd like to know your take on this. You can get back to me on either my talk page, or your talk page (where I'm gonna post this paragraph soon). Ksy92003(talk) 05:16, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I didn't know that Chris had e-mailed you... never would've imagined, honestly. I'm inclined to know what he said, but I know I have no right to know about something between you two.

Anyway, Chris just sent me an e-mail. Interesting, actually. Here's what it says: "Go fuck yourself, pussy. You deserve an ass-kicking from somebody." I know this is just e-mail, and not Wikipedia, but again, I fail to see how this comment is supposed to be meant in a kind way. Ksy92003(talk) 05:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't expect it any other way. I am a man of morals and ethics, and I know it wouldn't be right to reveal that confidentiality. I may remain to be curious, but I won't actually want you to tell me. Ksy92003(talk) 05:30, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

If you are in conversation with an admin offline, I suggest you forward that e-mail on to him for consideration. Even Tecmobowl didn't stoop to that sort of thing, as far as I know, until the very end when he was about to be banned. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 05:35, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

The reason I don't like the "thanking Jesus" stuff is not because of being against Jesus, it's the lack of humility, claiming God or Jesus was "on their side", as if He/They would care about something as trivial as a game played by millionaires. As one who was raised to regard humility as a Christian virtue, that kind of stuff I find very offensive and an insult to Christianity. That's my take, anyway. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 05:35, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Someone in 1951 saying that God is a Giants fan is pretty funny. Apparently God went on vacation during the World Series. Also, there are allegations that the Giants' comeback that year was aided by illegal forms of sign-stealing. So much for the God factor, and I think whoever said that was just being funny. I recall Harry Caray making a comment in a 1984 game. Something like this: one on, one out in the top of the ninth in a close one at Wrigley. The hit-and-run is on. The batter hits a soft liner that deflects off the pitcher's shoulder or arm, right into the second baseman's glove, who tosses to first to double up the runner and end the game. Harry yells, "The good Lord wants the Cubs to win!" Gimme a break, Harry. And as we all know, God vacationed in San Diego for awhile that October, before settling in Detroit. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 05:59, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

If the Giants actually were stealing signs illegally (and I'm not convinced they were), then they must not have been very good at it. In the playoff series, they won at Brooklyn and then lost at home before making their comeback win in Game 3... which was aided by Gil Hodges being positioned poorly in a crucial play in the ninth, as I may have discussed before. And in the Series, the Giants lost 2 of the 3 at home, so maybe the guy in the scoreboard had misplaced his telescope. In reality, the better team at that moment typically wins. And overall, if God roots for anyone, it must be the Yankees, who have enough Series rings for each finger and toe, two in each ear, one in the nose and... well, wherever else one might attach a ring. d:) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 06:15, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Huntington Avenue Grounds

The picture says "Ballparks" on it because it was on ballparks.com and they stamped it with their logo. Big deal. They may own their site, but they can't possibly be the copyright holder of a photo taken before 1923, because, as I understand it, all photos taken before 1923 are in the public domain and by definition don't have a copyright. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 01:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I see you've decorated your talk page all in red. That's ironic, given your antipathy toward the Red Sox. d:) The other day, I re-labeled that picture as PD-pre-1923 and deleted the bogus banner questioning the validity of the (not even needed) fair use argument. It's clearly stated now that it's prior to 1923, and the source was already given. I'm sure the deletionists hate it when they can't delete something. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 01:46, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, you'll have to get past Cleveland first. Yeh, I've pretty much given up on uploading illustrations from 1923 and after unless they are ones that I took... my contribution to making wikipedia look even more like some collective scrapbook instead of a "real" encyclopedia. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 02:07, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, those pics were from the June 2nd "Piniella cap kicking" game. I didn't get any photos of that play, as it was too far away and happened too fast. Vine Line had some good close-up shots in their next issue, but I know those wouldn't pass the "fair use" test. I did have it recording on tape at home, and it was more fun to just watch the antics. You just never know what you're going to see at the ballpark, like the time I saw Mike Schmidt hit 4 homers on a windy day at Wrigley, or the time I saw the Twins knock off the Indians at the Dome, 23-2. Regarding Team of Destiny, there was no stopping the Marlins in 2003, the Red Sox in 2004, the White Sox in 2005. For 2006, I wasn't so sure. Both the Tigers and the Cardinals had dramatic wins in their LCS, the Tigers through stunning dominance and the Cardinals through their stunning clutch hitting. But when the high-def cameras showed Rogers might have been doctoring the ball, I figured that was bad karma, and the Tigers didn't win again. So it goes. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 05:59, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Unreadable

FYI, your talk page is almost unreadable (specifically, internal links are completely unreadable). You might want to fix it. —Wknight94 (talk) 11:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

These colors are much better. Still a bit painful but not nearly as bad. —Wknight94 (talk) 00:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

It's in season, anyway... orange, like a punkin (some folks say "pumpkin"). Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 00:21, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Not a mistake. I never make typos. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 01:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, if I said "tyops" accidentally, then the statement would be self-contradictory. So I must have made like the dolphin and done it porpoisely. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 01:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Haha that "porpoisely" made me laugh a lot. I knew it was intentional. Just had to have a bit of fun and show you that I saw the "tyop" you made. Clever, amigo. Ksy92003(talk) 01:27, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I can actually read this page, the blue on yellow (links) isn't as harsh as the blue on red line ksy's page. Sasha Callahan 00:47, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Mine really doesn't look that bad to me. Ksy92003(talk) 00:53, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

It's not bad, just hard to read. That's all. Soxrock^Talk/_Edits 00:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

It's fine for me to read... I wonder why it's a lot harder for y'all than me.

It's just that we're weary from controversy. We're tired of seeing red. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 01:00, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

By the way, I sent you an e-mail some time recently. Check it out. Should give you a chuckle. Ksy92003(talk) 00:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Idea

Hey there! As you are no doubt the top contributor to sports related articles, I have a suggestion. I recently applied and was granted "access" to AWB (anyone with 500 edits can get it) and have been using it quite a bit the past few days. I've found it really speeds things up when you are trying to add/subtract/do whatever with a mass amount of articles...I thought you of all people would probably benefit from it the most. Well, just a suggestion. All the best...and nice background. jj137 (Talk) 02:02, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

"As you are no doubt the top contributor to sports related articles..." To be honest, I'm flattered by that comment. Anyway, Ksy already suggested the idea to me, but I'm not sure how I'll use it now. Tag all articles with seasonal templates? I'm just saying, how do I use it at current time? And thanks for the comment on the background, but it's probably just temporary. I'm tinkering with new ideas to the page. Soxrock^Talk/_Edits 03:10, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Well you really can use it however you want. For me it just makes things probably go 2-3 times faster which is just great. Unfortunately I think it takes some fun out of the "regular" editing style but it makes tasks much easier and faster. You don't have to use it, I generally still edit here and if I see a large task that needs to be done, well, that's where AWB comes in. Also, you really are the top contributor to sports articles; if I click on the history of any random baseball article (that's generally where I stay), 90% of the time, there's Soxrock with several edits at the top :-). jj137 (Talk) 20:04, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

NFL starting QBs template

Soxrock, please see my comments at User talk:Phbasketball6 for my thoughts on this template. The template is intended to only be updated after each week's games, and not before. Lemon has not started a game for the Dolphins this season, and theoretically he could not. Therefore if he never did, he never would have qualified for this template. Who takes most of the reps with the first team in practice is simply not sufficient - the template is for starters in games. I hope you understand this position.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 23:11, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Well he will be the starter in all likelihood. But to label him a "current starter" in that template right now is a little too crystal ball-ish I think. After all, he could break an ankle in practice. He could be arrested and benched. Cam could just decide to go with John Beck instead. All very unlikely, but all entirely possible. The creator of the template, as he said on my talk page, intended it to be updated after each NFL week with the starters of those games. I think that's the best way to go about it.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 23:23, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey it's no big deal. Glad we could resolve that peacefully!►Chris Nelson^Holla! 23:29, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Glad to see this was resolved. I just want to add that I don't think this is the way to go just because I am the creator of the template who intended it to be edited one way. If a consensus ever agrees that updating the template midweek is the best way to go, then so be it. I just don't think it is. Just my opinion, not a mandate. Skudrafan1 01:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Interesting...

I e-mailed you something rather interesting that somebody found out... this could be quite serious. Any comments about it can simply be made in e-mail; it'd be best to keep this off Wikipedia. Ksy92003(talk) 02:45, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

2008 Game Logs

I heard you want to subst game log templates into 2008 team season articles. Since I've been creating the '08 game logs, you might want to wait until I complete the schedule logs before you transclude them? VoL†ro/\/Force 00:20, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment

Dear WikiProject Boston Red Sox members:

I don't think this is spam, so I am going to say it. I just wanted to alert all of the members of this WikiProject (currently only five, besides myself) that I just got the Red Sox Wiki up and running, if you would like to check it out. It's in its infancy, so there's not much there yet, however.

Thanks! --jj137 (Talk) 01:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry

I've nominated a page you worked on, 2006 Chicago Bears season detailed game summaries, for deletion. I realize you put a lot of work into it, but I'm uncertain if Wikipedia is the place for such an article. Speciate 23:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

It's not a summary I'm against, it's the play-by-play. The other Bears 2006 article is fine, in fact, its first five paragraphs are a really good treatment of what made the season notable. By contrast, only a tiny fraction of plays are ever going to rise to independent notability. Whole games go by without them. Speciate 06:35, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

THANKS! SugnuSicilianu 18:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Incidents' noticeboard

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Suicide note123454321. Your name was recently mentioned in a comment there. I'll let you read the thread to determine what to make of it. In the statement that you were mentioned in, Wknight94 was referring the alleged sockpuppet ring that you were involved with.

The issue has just been resolved, so there's nothing you need to say about it, but I thought you should know about this. Ksy92003(talk) 02:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

You've nothing at all to worry about. When I saw that Wknight94 said that the other user could've been your brother again, as his only edit was to your user page, I thought it was something important to relay to. I sent you the comment 20+ minutes ago knowing that the issue was resolved and that you weren't going to be punished for, but I figured that it was something important for you to know about. Ksy92003(talk) 02:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Wow... that could've been really bad. Heck, I'd probably be on either Madden or NHL 08 if I didn't have to do homework X( Rather fortunate that nothing really developed from that ANI report. Ksy92003(talk) 02:43, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

It's miraculous that that guy is still able to create new accounts. But it can't get any easier than him admitting that he is a banned sock. That makes it really easy to find them.

By the way... check your e-mail. Ksy92003(talk) 03:24, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Mistake

Oops, sorry about giving you the whole "Bosox wiki" thing. I guess I wasn't paying enough attention when I was sending those out or something, I'm not sure, I know you hate the Sox so that was kind of a stupid thing of me to do. jj137 (Talk) 02:17, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Just Thought i'd tell you

I just thought i'd tell you that I added your name to a list of Wikipedians I Respect at my user page, and if you would like to delete your name you can--Yankees10 23:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Using Baseball-Reference.com Info

Hello. I read with interest your discussions about using BR info over here at Wikipedia ([1]). It should be noted that, for the most part, they don't create these stats themselves, they just arrange them in a convenient manner and provide them all in one place. They really have no standing to grant you permission to use or not use stats that they didn't create which is why you got the answer from them to allow you to use them. They have recently started providing minor league stats on their site and admitted on their blog ([2]) that they are just copying the stats from TSN guides. Nice to see you contributing over there on their Wiki as well. They need all the help they can get from what I've seen. 69.68.238.142 12:55, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

LA Lakers Template

On the LA Lakers Template it says the home team and the visiting team. Why isn't it like the baseball templates like the baseball templates. For example it is the Dodgers Template and they are in Angels Staduium playing against the Angels. We use @Angels instead of Home Team: LA Dodgers Visiting Team: LA Angels. LADodgersAngelsfan 05:47, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, LAAngelsDodgersfan (yes I purposely switched the order), when I began the baseball articles, somebody (I don't remember who) chose the format we used for the baseball templates, with the @ Angels or vs Dodgers, as opposed to saying both the home and away team. Hockey and basketball both used the other format, which was the first used, and the baseball was changed to a different format. If you want to, you can propose a change at WT:NBA and WT:HOCKEY. Ksy92003(talk) 06:10, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Hockey Seasons

Hi Soxrock. I've been a fan of your work for a while and wanted to thank for your edits on the various hockey season articles. Maple Leaf 17:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:2006-07 New Jersey Devils roster

Template:2006-07 New Jersey Devils roster has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Fbdave 04:59, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Kings/Stars

I was at this game tonight... man was it a thriller! Dallas had scored twice in the first and second and took a 4-0 lead to the third period. With about eight minutes left, the Kings got goals from Dustin Brown, Scott Thornton, Alexander Frolov (goal reviewed for kicking motion, goal upheld), Anze Kopitar, and Ladislav Nagy (goal reviewed for high stick, goal upheld) to take a 5-4 lead. The Kings scored five goals in 5:07, a franchise record, to go from a 4-0 deficit to a 5-4 lead. Mike Modano scored to tie the game up 5-5 and sent it into overtime. Anze Kopitar scored in overtime to give the Kings a 6-5 victory. The times of the goals are as follows:

Team  Time   Goal                 Assists                                    H-A
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DAL   16:27  Brendan Morrow   (7) Jere Lehtinen      Mike Modano       (PP)  0-1
DAL   18:48  Mike Ribiero     (7) Stephane Robidas                     (EV)  0-2
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DAL   10:17  Chris Conner     (2) Jeff Halpern       Stephane Robidas  (EV)  0-3
DAL   17:48  Jeff Halpern     (2) Sergei Zubov                         (EV)  0-4
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LA    12:46  Dustin Brown     (7) Lubomir Visnovsky                    (PP)  1-4
LA    14:01  Scott Thornton   (2) Michal Handzus     John Zeiler       (EV)  2-4
LA    15:35  Alexander Frolov (4) Derek Armstrong    Jack Johnson      (EV)  3-4
LA    15:59  Anze Kopitar     (6) Dustin Brown       Lubomir Visnovsky (EV)  4-4
LA    17:53  Ladislav Nagy    (4) Brad Stuart        Alexander Frolov  (PP)  5-4
DAL   18:55  Mike Modano      (5) Brendan Morrow     Sergei Zubov      (PP)  5-5
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LA     2:34  Anze Kopitar     (7) Alexander Frolov   Jaroslav Modry    (EV)  6-5

This game is being compared to the Miracle on Manchester and is the greatest regular-season comeback in Kings history. It tied the "Miracle"'s record for most goals in a period (5) and broke the team's record for fastest five goals (previously 5:37 on November 2, 1985 against the Hartford Whalers) with 5:07. The even more ironic thing about this whole scenario... the first goal, Brown's goal, came shortly after I said to myself "[Marty] Turco's gonna get the first star."

Again, I was at this game, and the atmosphere was like nothing you've ever seen before. It was incredible. When the Kings made it 4-2, the building just exploded right then, and they carried the momentum. I sit right on the goal line where the Kings scored in the upper concourse, so I had the perfect view for all six goals. It was like something scripted for a movie. Turco is an All-Star, Vezina Trophy-caliber goaltender, and it was amazing and unrealistic to see him give up five goals in a minute-per pace. During the second intermission, about four minutes before the teams came out, I was saying "the Kings are gonna need a huge miracle to have any sort of a chance..." I'll say a "miracle" was exactly what we got. Ksy92003(talk) 09:17, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Click here for the unofficial scoresheet for the game, courtesy of NHL.com. Ksy92003(talk) 09:44, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Baseball team navboxes

Is there someplace you'd like to discuss the format of these navboxes other than in edit summary fields? I don't understand your objections, "this is better format" doesn't really explain much. Bryan Derksen 18:37, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what you mean about the "pinkness" in those navboxes, the group header backgrounds are blue. Could you point to an example perhaps? Bryan Derksen 04:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

NHL Standings templates

Please be careful when editing the standings templates. I had already edited the Northeast Division standings to reflect the Sabres' win tonight over Montreal before you came through and did it again, on top of what I had already done. As much as I wish the Sabres' win tonight got them four points, it just doesn't work that way. :) Skudrafan1 (talk) 04:03, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Baseball season rosters

What is it I'm missing here? (I can't seem to get the alignment right.)   jj137 (Talk) 15:31, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Should I move them into a template once they are completed?   jj137 (Talk) 20:07, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not surprised. I hate it that so many people pretty much want to delete half the baseball articles and templates.   jj137 (Talk) 20:10, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Priest Holmes

Please wait until Holmes is officially retired before making any edits to his infobox regarding that. Announcing one's retirement is not how one actually retires - retirement papers have to be filed with the league. There is no proof Holmes has done this, and for now he is still on the active roster of the Chiefs. While this all should be in the article, his infobox and place on the roster template should remain current until it can be proven otherwise. Mack Strong, for instance, is not a retired player. He "announced his retirement" but is merely on injured reserve, still getting paid and still at the Seahawks complex. He has to file retirement papers with the league to be retired (as Tarik Glenn did) but he has not. Nor has Holmes, to anyone's knowledge.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 18:49, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

It's cool man. I didn't want you to think I was trying to start something, because you and I are cool. I just don't want things reflected in articles if they aren't technically true. The retirement this is tricky and more complex than most people know.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 18:56, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for updating Dennis Franchione and associated articles. I appreciate it! BlueAg09 (Talk) 02:06, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Central Division

I saw that your username appears under the category NBA season 2007-08 so you would be best to answer this question. I was wondering whether you will be able to create a central division standings template as this is the only one that is not available. Therefore instead of changing the standings on each team for this division, all that will have to be updated is the template. I assume this is how it works and you just put a

Central Division	W	L	PCT	GB	Home	Road	Div
y-Detroit Pistons	59	23	.732	–	34–7	25–16	11–5
x-Cleveland Cavaliers	45	37	.549	14	27–14	18–23	7–9
Indiana Pacers	36	46	.439	23	21–20	15–26	5–11
Chicago Bulls	33	49	.402	26	20–21	13–28	11–5
Milwaukee Bucks	26	56	.317	33	19–22	7–34	6–10

. Dont go hard on me, im just a beginner. Roadrunnerz45 (talk) 07:13, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Just one other things with the standings template, do you think we should put a 'through games played on date?' what do you think? if so do we do it on the template or on individual team pages for 07-08 Roadrunnerz45 (talk) 07:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

One more thing

I just want to say thanks for doing the central division and when you have time is it possible that you do the same to the other divisions in regard to the highlighting. I dont seem to get it, i tried to copy what you did but it didn't work. I know that your busy and its not that big of a deal because i'll take care of the Cavs and everything is right with the page. Just would like to let you know thats all. I dont think any of us here can update the standings and game log for every team for the next 5 months but can you just do the highlighting. Thanks again, take your time. Roadrunnerz45 (talk) 06:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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